Terror that Grips Lubavitch: Shameless Chillul Yom Tov

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Source: Crownheights.info

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After we shined a spotlight on the actions of a group of violent thugs in 770 last week, thousands of Anash expressed their reactions in the form of emails and comments.

Several ‘angels of peace’ attempted to spin, rationalize and explain away their actions; but new revelations prove that those actions stretch further back – and are even more shocking – than we would all like to believe.

About six months ago, on the eve of Leil Shimurim – the first night of Pesach – while most Jews were seated around their Seder Tables and reciting the Haggadah, a group of Messianic ‘Tzfatis’ took advantage of the quiet in 770 to wreck mayhem, newly revealed footage shows. Armed with hammers and other tools, they set out to destroy the doors of 770, all in the name of their warped beliefs.

The group spent over three hours breaking and smashing the front and inner doors to the ‘upstairs’ of 770.

They spent over three hours breaking and smashing the front and inner doors to the ‘upstairs’ of 770. They wanted to accomplish two things, breaking in to the ‘upstairs’ Zal to host a Seder, and open the front door of 770 so that the Rebbe can recite shfoch chamoscha.

The group came armed with hammers, chisels, pliers, screwdrivers and WD-40; while some of them spent close to three hours breaking the hinges of the door leading from ‘downstairs 770’ to upstairs, other members of the gang broke open the front door of 770.

Sometime during that lull, a person with a key to the inner door unlocked it, not knowing of the vandalism that had occurred over the past three hours. Toward the end of the video you can see a man pull the door and it comes completely off its hinges.

After succeeding in busting open the front door to 770, and a sizeable crowd can be seen in the video gathering and doing a ‘victory dance.’ While celebrating their ‘victory’ they proceed to smash open the display case of Kehot Seforim and throw to the floor all of the holy books in which the Rebbe’s name appears with Ziy”a.

[Article continues below, along with photos]

Who Are these Thugs?

Shimon Belinitzky of Kfar Chabad (whose brother proudly testified against the Shomrim Six); Meir Friedman, a graduate of the Tzfas Yeshiva; Shmuel Lipsh, a graduate of the Tzfas Yeshiva; Yossi Halperin, a graduate of the Tzfas Yeshivah and Yisroel Granovater from Israel. These are but a few of the names that have so far been identified.

10 Years Later: The Enablers

The craziness of these Mashichistim and their terror tactics predates the founding of CrownHeights.info. It all began with Bentzion Frishman, Yaacov Thaler and Mendel Sharf – then three Bochurim in Kvutzeh – who took it upon themselves to ‘fix’ the plaque above the cornerstone without the permission of Merkos or Aguch.

Like thieves in the night, they came with tools and ripped off the old plaque – which itself had been defaced to remove the Ztz”l and Ziy”a – and installed a new plaque bearing Yechi and Shlit”a.

At the time, Merkos sought to quash the madness by involving the authorities, only to be temporarily thwarted by the Gaboim, who intervened and injected themselves into the lawsuit.

It has been ten years and hundreds of thousands of dollars since, and the legal matters are still dragging out, preventing those with the power and willingness to do something about this madness the ability to do so. Those keeping the matter alive are the current Gabboim of 770, including: Zalman Lipsker, Avrohom Holtzberg, Menachem Gerlitzky and Yosef Losh, who are continually thwarting Merkos’ attempts to put an end to this madness and remove these thugs once and for all from 770.

The Silence is Deafening

Though some apologists say that this is only a ‘friendly disagreement amongst brothers’ – or worse, claim that it is fabrication – these images clearly show that it is not; it is time to call a spade a spade and put an end to the madness.

The shocking violence and terror tactics, which stem from extreme fanaticism, have no connection to anything sacred and are not born of anything pure. This is not a difference of opinion; it is an attempt by some to force their opinions upon us all with the use of violence and intimidation.

Those who support this madness by virtue of their silence allow for the next generation to be brainwashed and follow in the footsteps of their mentors and indoctrinators. The release of these surveillance videos demonstrates that Halacha and the Rebbe do not factor into the actions of these men.

We attempted to refrain from exposing this madness in the hopes that it would be dealt with quickly and quietly. We now see how big of a mistake that was.

The Yeshivos back in Israel need to be held accountable, as does the central Tomchei Temimim here in Crown Heights – which runs the Kvutzeh program that hosts and provides for these dangerous elements.

Merkos and Aguch must be allowed to clean up 770, and pressure must be put on the Gabboim to keep them from getting in the way.

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16 Responses to “Terror that Grips Lubavitch: Shameless Chillul Yom Tov”

  1. WhoIsShmira? Says:

    6. declasse’ intelelctual wrote:

    The rotten stench from this Chullil HaShem is a disgrace to the glorious tradition of Lubavitch and mocks all the great work that the Rebbaim have done for Yiddishkeit and the Jewish world.
    Shame on Crown Heights Info for not raising this issue earlier when it occurred and for shame on all those who would look the other way, justify or support this horrendous actions.
    There can be no shalom bais with these lunatics doing what they have done and are continuing to do!!!!!!!!!!

    October 2, 2013 6:19 pm

    7. CHLEAKS.COM wrote in response:

    Why shame on crownheights.info?

    CH.INFO was one of the Shomrim Six who indured the great blood libel of the meshichist four years ago.

    He stood on trial facing 15 plus years in a violent prison, not becuase he assaulted anyone g-d forbid but only he was and is THE voice of opposition.

    Every one of the Shomrim Six was hand-picked for a reason.

    Besides, don’t breath down CH.INFO ‘s back for not reporting this for…

    A) he probably only got this info now from the powers to be.

    2) the real and main problem is the power to be. They are the owners of the property and only they can press charges and only they can have these meshichistim thugs prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

    The Cillul Hashem and chillul Lubavitch is not what the meshichstim are doing, its what those the Rebbe zt”l put in charge are not doing to stop this.

    Until 5 to 10 meshichistim don’t sit on trial as the shomrim six did, this will never end.

    These articles are all good and nice (and important as well), but its not going to have any bottom line.

    Another thing: don’t look for others to save the day. If you are not going to take action or help and support those who are (with money and talent) then shut up and step aside…you’re in my way.

    October 2, 2013 6:53 pm

  2. WhoIsShmira? Says:

    14. A Shliach in CT wrote:

    KOl Hakavod Crownheights.info, the only website with the courage to stand up to these thugs.
    Col with their pandering and complacency to the thugs are becoming irrelevant, the place people turn to to know what really goes on in 770 and lubavitch is here.
    Kol Hakavod!

    October 2, 2013 7:09 pm

    15. CHLEAKS.COM wrote in response:

    COLLIES is funded partially by the Mosser (informer) Chanina Sperlin.

    This is why COLLIES will never allow a comment which reflects negatively on the corrupt Crown Heights Jewish Community Council, Inc.

    Not even a no name calling comment like: “How and Where was $41 Million Spent By The Crown Heights Jewish Community Council, Inc.?”

    But like I wrote above, We/You/I can’t rely that some superman will save the day. Superman is not real (sorry to disappoint). We/You/I will have to be the superman.

    Don’t even rely on CH.INFO and don’t rely on myself.

    October 2, 2013 7:51 pm

  3. WhoIsShmira? Says:

    17. a normal mishachist wrote:

    you could be a mishachist and be normal there are some normal mishachistim that allow people to be entitled to their own opinion and learn with you not in a forceful way why they hold from their opinion but those people that are shown on the video are insane! but not all mishachistim are like that the best thing to do is to motivate not to force and to do stuff in a way that people will except it and the main thing to do is to respect the other person and his opinion

    October 2, 2013 7:31 pm

    18. Chabadnik wrote in response:

    No such thing as a normal Meshichist.

    If your a Meshichist something is wrong with you.

    A three minute conversation with you and I will know whats wrong with you and why you’re a meshichist.

    October 3, 2013 6:14 am

    19. don’t be so obtuse! also wrote in response:

    You know you can’t “motivate” these people, they are obsessed and insane. It’s like the 1930′s when Hitler YMS roused up all his Blackshirts into anti-Jewish frenzy. Hendel &; his buddies do the same to these stupid animals. The answer is for AGUCH to grow backbones and stop labkowsky, Zarchi & others giving papers. Tell Immigration. Deport them all, even the “harmless” ones.

  4. WhoIsShmira? Says:

    22. Shomrim Six wrote:

    Not all Meshichistim are Mossrim, but all Mossrim are Meshichistim!

    …For NOT ONLY ONE has risen up against us to annihilate us, but in every generation THEY rise up against us to annihilate us,

    Mishichistim: A Movement of Mosrim

    Pesach 5771/2011 Upon a visit to Israel I had the opportunity to meet up with my extended family at a family Simcha (uncles, aunts, cousins and second cousins). We had all come to spend a Shabbos together to celebrate my niece’s Bat-Mitzva.

    One of my cousins who was 19 years old at the time was officially a “student” at the Tzfat “Yeshiva” (the Mishichist headquarters). This year (2011) was his second year at this institution.

    My cousin knowing I was one of the Shomrim Six, and who stood trial for six weeks, facing 15 plus years in prison if g-d forbid found guilty, related the following to me.

    While we sat on trial, the Mishichistim “Bochrim” in his “Yeshiva” were all excited about the prospects of Shomrim being convicted and sent to prison, he said that for six weeks (the course of the trial), the Yeshiva was more alive and joyous then usual.

    “The Bochrim even said Tehillim with the hopes of having the Shomrim imprisoned”.

    Every day the Bochrim would get updated as to the proceedings of that day in court. The discussions in the study hall, dining room and dorm rooms were all about the trial.

    For six weeks everyday “his friends” would tell him with a smile from ear to ear, “your cousins are going to jail”, “your cousins are screwed”, “we will show them whose boss” etc…

    I asked my cousin if this was just a few individuals or the Yeshiva as a whole and to this the reply was the Yeshiva at a whole.

    I then asked how was the reaction after the ‘not guilty’ verdict?

    “They were all down and depressed, their spirits were down, they couldn’t look me in the eyes, this was a big hit for them” my cousin said.

    I have a brother in-law who at the time was as-well in Tzfat “Yeshiva”. I wanted to confirm that what my cousin was saying was indeed true and so that Motzi Shabbos when I returned to my in-laws home, I asked my brother in-law about how it was when we sat on trial, he said the same exact thing as my cousin, only they told him that “his brother in-law is going to jail”, his brother in-law was screwed”.

    The Shomrim Six Mesira was not a Mesira of a few Mishichistim, the whole Mishichist movement (locally in Crown Heights and aboard in Israel) was involved, and they were all excited; praying that the Shomrim Six be found guilty and imprisoned for 15 plus years.

    When we (the Shomrim Six) became aware that we are actually going to go to trial, we did everything we possibly can to stop it.

    We reached out to Meshichitim “Mashpiyim”, Meshichistim supporters (those doing money laundering business with Mendel Hendel), all to no avail. Being that one never can predict how a jury of 12 strangers will rule and to prevent a major Chillul Hashem, we offered the complainers $5,000 each to drop the charges. We even offered one high ranking meshichist “Shliach” a brand new Safor Torah if he would get involved to stop the Mesira. The Meshichist “Shliach” not only refused to help, he justified Six Jews going to jail for 15 plus years. Six Jews he never met, six Jews with families and jobs, plain and simple six Jews.

    It’s important to add (this is just a fact that accrued), in the end, only a few short months days after the Shomrim Six blood libel trial that lasted for six whole weeks, G-d almighty gave this “Shliach” who refused to get involved in possibly saving Yidden a reason to write his very own Safer Torah (may G-d spear us all from needing to write a Sefer Torah for this reason).

    October 2, 2013 8:01 pm

  5. WhoIsShmira? Says:

    Echad MeAnash wrote:

    That doesn’t allow mesirah R”L. And going against Torah always only makes things worse. Educate, take defensive measures like secure doors and when people pay less attention and act as dugma chayehs, they’ll have no one to fight and it will die down. The best practical nekomo (and only form that’s allowed) and prevention is to ignore.

    October 3, 2013 4:41 am

    CHLEAKS.COM wrote in response:

    To Echad MeAnash:

    You may not know this yet or you may simply think you are (self) rightouse, but guess what my brother, You are an enabler.

    Or
    Your young, naive and don’t know histroy. You diffidently don’t know people. If your smart you’ll figure it all out.
    Had you been an adult you would already know that what you’re suggesting has been tried for 20 years.
    After 20 years i can tell you the the very opposite is true.

    However, if your a full grown adult with some experience in life and nonetheless you still think this way, then your stam an idiot who needs to shut up and get out of my the way.

    Some of us are taking action (to the best of our ability).

    or like i suggested already many many times, you might just be another meshichist sympathizers. Even (maybe – perhaps) if you have good intentions, the results of what your preching are more (worse) violence and mesira.

    October 3, 2013 10:00 am

    Echad MeAnash wrote in response to CHLEAKS:

    To CHLEAKS – What are you talking about? Not arresting Tzafati vigilants? It seems the best way is to ignore and educate the public and pressure their yeshivos to show the Rebbe’s video to R’ Dovid Raskin. The arrests have only bred more violence. These are some constructive things that would not.

    October 3, 2013 6:35 pm

    CHLEAKS:
    Like I said, naive and stupid.

  6. WhoIsShmira? Says:

    CHLEAKS.COM wrote:

    They take your Rebbe zt”l face and dump it in the toilet time and time again, what are you doing about it?

    Written a comment?

    Hurting inside?

    What does that do for the bottom line?
    How does that stop the mockery on our Rebbe and way of life?

    October 2, 2013 8:39 pm

  7. WhoIsShmira? Says:

    Comment I Really Liked:

    36. Realist wrote:

    Sorry, but from a realistic point of view, nothing will be done about this. Clearly, whomever provided the video to CH.info already knew about this half a year ago and did not take it to the authorities.

    In order to change this behavior once and for all, we need to arrange large meetings, (real, live meetings) to discuss how to deal with this and take action.

    The blood is on the hands of the Moshiachist movement. The Moshiachist movement has caused this insanity. There is no such thing as a “moderate Moshiachist”. If you believe that the Rebbe wants you to go around telling everyone that the Rebbe is Moshiach, you are by default a radical Meshichist.

    The Rebbe left clear instructions how to help bring Moshiach, (Tefilin, Neshek, etc. etc.) and one of them was NOT to go around telling everyone that the Rebbe is Moshiach.

    These hoodlums have done nothing other than take this Messianic cult to the next level.

    Aguch has spend a lot of money and a lot of effort fighting this madness. The force that is holding them back is Sholom Ber Drizin. He is providing funding for the Gaboim to fight Aguch in court. End of story.

    October 2, 2013 8:40 pm

  8. WhoIsShmira? Says:

    39. MonseyYid wrote:

    Unfortunately this is out of hand a long time ago. Mark my word, unless Aguch reports them to the police and has them jailed and deported,their actions will continue to escalate. The whole Tzibbur is exposed to real Sakona having them around.These people are real criminals; though the look Becheitzoiniyus Frum and Ehrlich. Unfortunately the worst type of Rishus is when it is done “Lesheim Shomayim “

    October 2, 2013 9:16 pm

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    40. Echad MeAnash wrote:

    That doesn’t allow mesirah R”L. And going against Torah always only makes things worse. Educate, take defensive measures like secure doors and when people pay less attention and act as dugma chayehs, they’ll have no one to fight and it will die down. The best practical nekomo (and only form that’s allowed) and prevention is to ignore.

    October 3, 2013 4:41 am

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    41. To 35 wrote:

    There was already few psak from rabonim that of a person act with violence you not only allow but must press charge

    October 3, 2013 9:57 am

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    42. antimesira wrote in response to Echad MeAnash:

    G-d willing Hashem will give you an opportunity to practice what you preach.

    When they beat, steal and try to lock you or a member of your family up for 15 years via a viscous blood libel, you will have a great opportunity to practice what you preach.
    Please write you’re real name so we could remind you.
    Perhaps i can send your name to NYPD and Shomrim so when you get beaten and mugged they can repeat your great philosophy of ignoring.

    October 3, 2013 10:09 am
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    43. Echad MeAnash wrote:

    Then do something that actually stops them. Bring Schwei who encouraged them to a real Bais Din (he won’t agree to Rabbi Osdoba’s, then fine someone else), same with that inciting lawyer. If they won’t go, sue them. That’s al pi Torah and would actually stop them instead of encouraging them to go more crazy. Richard Nixon (lomed mikol odom, I guess) said (from experience) not to let those who hate you get to you, because then they destroy your character. The best way is to stop their enablers, in a proper and effective way.

    October 3, 2013 6:45 pm
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    44. Echad MeAnash wrote:

    Re: To 35
    Not true at all. Halacha forbids mesirah except in rare cases like the 3 yeharegs veal yaavors – murder (or clear potential murder, not third rate hooleganism, gilui areiyos and avoda zarah (clear avoda zara, which doesn’t apply today). Also, one can maser another moiser if it’s direct. If it’s a hitting thing, the person needs to be brought to a real Bais Din or stopped by the community (by shomrim). Schwei may well be a moiser, Huebner almost certainly is. The laxity with which people take this terrible avairo for which one can lose olam haboh ch”v is insane. It’s what separates us between Jews and lhavdil goyim and isn’t advisable in almost any case.

    In this case it would be a lot more effective to say here’s a video of this kind of despicable behavior, here are the yeshivos that tolerate or even encourage it – don’t fund them, here are the people bringing there, here are the so-called “rabbis” (Eirev Rav) who encourage them, etc. That would produce results. Mesirah doesn’t. (If it’s against Torah it also doesn’t work on the simplest level.

    This would also show everyone who’s on the sidelines who the right and normal side is, without a doubt. It’s practically the best approach aside from the most important consideration.

  9. WhoIsShmira? Says:

    52. Chaim H. wrote:

    Remember when Chanina Sperlin and Co. and the 770 Gaboyim had my father, brothers and brother-in-law locked up and schlepped to court for two years until the frivolous charges were dropped.

    http://crownheights.info/communal-matters/26840/sperlin-and-poltorack-challenged-on-grounds-of-messira/

    https://whoisshmira.wordpress.com/2011/08/14/chjcc-misrepresents-the-community-to-have-jews-locked-up/

    Just for the record: The property in question belongs to those who “damaged” it.

  10. WhoIsShmira? Says:

    53. sorry wrote:

    These bochurim in the video are obviously in need of major help, but this has nothing to do with sane Meshichistim. I did not visit this site for two years bec. of the poison and hatred you people spew on many innocent Lubavitchers. You people who publicize these things on the world wide web are the ones who are making the biggest Chillul Hashem and Lubavitch. If you really wanted to help the problem you would go to those people who could help directly or find Rabbonim or other role models to find a decent solution.

    I’m waiting to see if this comment will be published!

    October 2, 2013 11:07 pm

    54. CHLEAKS.COM wrote:

    You are from the enablers. You are from those we need to get out of the way. You are a Meshichist who justifies and excuses acts of violence and Mesira. Your sick and need help.

    As for not visiting this website..
    Your here now (?)

    “If you really wanted to help the problem you would go to those people who could help directly or find Rabbonim or other role models to find a decent solution.”

    Where have you been these past 20 years?

    The time for talking and convincing is over, now we must defeat this evil.
    (had we done this from the start the evil would not have risen to this level).

  11. WhoIsShmira? Says:

    65. middle camps wrote:

    There appears to be many very different camps within Lubavitch today. From extreme anti-Meshichists, to moderate anti–Meshichists, from extreme Meshichists to moderate Meshichists, to a few in-between.

    Though it is admirable of Meshichists that believe fully that their Rebbe is present in their lives, and nothing changed after Gimmel Tammuz. But the extremists appear to have lost the message that the Rebbe instilled in us all of the goodness and kindness, which is clearly the Lubavitch way in everything.

    On the other hand, the blatent hatred of certain extreme anti-Meshichists towards the very notion of most Meshichists is equally worrisome, and not beholding of a true Lubavitcher.

    If we review the history of Lubavitch, and are honest to ourselves, clearly the believes of many Meshichists is in line with that history, the Rebbe’s own words about Messiach, and the teaching of our Torah. This can not be denied.

    Hopefully, as time marches on, the middle camps will emerge to become the largest, and infighting will be a thing of the past.

    October 3, 2013 12:26 am

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    66. CHLEAKS.COM wrote:

    You already wrote this comment in the previous article two weeks ago.

    Your a meshichist troll. Any response to your stupidity can be viewed there.

    Responses from previous article to comment above:

    CHLEAKS.COM wrote:

    “There appears to be many very different camps within Lubavitch today. From extreme anti-Meshichists, to moderate anti–Meshichists, from extreme Meshichists to moderate Meshichists, to a few in-between.”

    1) There is one camp in Chabad Lubavitch and that is the camp that follows in the way of the Lubavitcher Rebbe Zt”l.
    If you’re in the ‘Meshichist’ camp then your a Meshichist, NOT a Chabad Chossid.

    Not going to the Ohel (the Rebbe zt”l) is not just another opinion and/or view and/or “belief” C”V. If you’re NOT going to the Ohel then you are NOT Chabad!!!

    [These stupid naive people, they think they are being the Chachomim (wise ones) by thinking THEY are CHOOSING not to go to the Rebbe ob”m when the realty is the Rebbe does not want them anywhere near him.]

    2) There’s no such a thing as a “moderate Meshichists”, if you’re a Meshichist your already extreme. A Meshichist is extremely sick in the head, extremely violent, Ignorant and destructive.

    The names [above] of those involved in the acts of violence and destruction proves that it’s not only the Israeli/Tzfati Meshichistim who are involved in this Jihad, but it’s also what you would call the “moderate Meshichists”. I am yet to see any Meshichist condom these acts, so far we have excuses and justifications for this.

    The Meshichist Mossrim who testified in the Shomrim Six blood libel got their Aliya to the Torah in the main shul of 770 the Shabbos before they got married. They got these Aliyas to the Torah from the 770 “Gabboyim”. Enough said.

    3) “extreme anti-Meshichists, to moderate anti–Meshichists”?.

    a) The fact that you start your descriptions of the “different camps within Lubavitch today” with the so called “anti-Meshichist”, tells me that you yourself are a Meshichist, as the rest of your comment proves.

    b) Please define this so called “anti-Meshichist”…so far what I understand from your comment it that an “anti-Meshichist” is someone who has and voices a strong opinion against Meshichistim, if that is so, then I don’t know how you can compare a extreme Meshichist who DOES acts of violence, vandalism and Mesirah to someone who simply has an opinion (no matter how “extreme” they may be)?

    c) If only we had (starting from the conception of the Meshichist movement after the Rebbes passing in 5754) “extreme anti-Meshichistim”. Had we had more brave and devoted Chabadniks who would not stand to see the Rebbes faces being dumped in the toileted time and time again, then the Meshichist moment would have fell apart from the start.

    It is only after the Shomrim Six blood libel (four years ago) that more and more people are [finally] ‘voicing’ their strong OPIONIONS against those who have been dumping the Rebbes face in the toileted for 20 years now.

    My opinion is that it’s not enough to just voice our opinion, we must take strong action against violence, vandalism and Mesira. The time for talking with Mossrim is over (and really should have never happened in the first place), now we must destroy the Mossrim.

    and this takes me to…

    d) The “moderate anti–Meshichists”.
    There is no such a thing. The “moderate anti–Meshichists” is a Meshichist and you can keep him as your own.
    Read what I wrote here about this: https://whoisshmira.wordpress.com/2013/01/15/chabad-vs-meshichist-faction-1994-to-current/

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    Chaim wrote:

    For the record: You’re absolutely wrong. There is no infighting in Lubavitch -at least not in a public way-, what we do have is an outside group called Meshichistim which has been trying to hijack Lubavitch for the past 20 Years.

    This outside group has used tools like properganda, violence and mesira to force it’s way into Chabad.

    I will agree there is a chillul lubavitch but not for the false reason you gave.

    The chillul lubavitch is when we chabad chassidim stand by silently when this outside group of meshichistim mock, disgrace and destroy our righteous Rebbe ob”m.

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    69. Infighting Is A Hilul Lubavitch – to #13 wrote:

    b) Please define this so called “anti-Meshichist”…so far what I understand from your comment it that an “anti-Meshichist” is someone who has and voices a strong opinion against Meshichistim, if that is so, then I don’t know how you can compare a extreme Meshichist who DOES acts of violence, vandalism and Mesirah to someone who simply has an opinion (no matter how “extreme” they may be)?

    In my view, most Lubavitcher are neither Meshichists or anti-Meshichists. They are frum Jew, that follow Chabad customs, and whose feelings are aligned to the teachings of Chabad Chassidus. They love the Rebbeim, and in particular are attached to the Rebbe. They dislike the infighting, are turned off with the meshugas of many Meshichists, and with the insane hatred of the anti-Meshichists.

    What is a anti-Meshichist? He or she is one whose sechel dominates their thinking even where explicit teachings in the Torah, the Gemora, Chazal etc. contradict that sechel.

    Meshichists ignore the big picture. The Rebbe wants to prepare the world for Messiach. Most Meshichists choose to destroy everything for some meemooshdik customs, like dollars distribution etc.

    There is a big picture, and a little picture. Most anti-Meshichists and Meshichists prefer the little picture. Most shuchim and similar minded Lubavitchers are interested in the big picture.
    September 24, 2013 9:04 am

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    70. CHLEAKS.COM wrote:

    You’re propagandizing the same stupidity from your first comment, only this time you repeat the same thing in a more organized fashion. Nevertheless, you still don’t make sense.

    You are still attempting to compare a group of people* who have an [strong or in your words an ‘extreme’] opinion. (that you chose to call HATE…I will address this so called HATE on my web-site after Yom-Tov). This opinion no matter how strong or extreme does not hurt anybody and diffidently doesn’t cause any Chillul Hashem nor any Chillul Lubavitch.
    To a group that has been involved in acts of violence, vandalism and Mesira R”L.

    Somehow you are attempting to make a צד השווה (comparison) between two “groups” of people, when in realty they are universes apart.

    * ‘A group of people’: I wonder if you can give me any names of any individuals, or show me any videos, photos of documents to back up your claim of extremism (?). With 20 years of Meshichistim, I can name names (as the article above does), I can show you video of violence and vandalism and I can show you Mesirah.

    All in all your “response” is nothing more then a repeat of your initial comments and your just Hacking a Chanik. take your foot out of your mouth and shut up. All you do is justify and excuse acts of violence and Mesira. Great “Thinkers” like you can go dance with the Meshichistim.
    September 24, 2013 2:54 pm

  12. WhoIsShmira? Says:

    67. Do wrote:

    When u see these stories make
    Sure not to think or label all michichist as
    Crazy ppl. Most of them Are not this way… It’s specific group of them that go way too far and do things in an extreme unhealthy way. Doesn’t mean anyone with a Yechie yarmulka is nuts

    October 3, 2013 12:31 am

    68. CHLEAKS.COM wrote:

    Yes it does.

    October 3, 2013 8:16 am

  13. WhoIsShmira? Says:

    69. Mendy Cohen wrote:

    Rabbi Braun should be asked to intervene. He will help.
    I mean this seriously.
    Stop the evil talk and be productive.
    October 3, 2013 12:47 am

    70. Shomrim Six wrote:

    You mean like Rabbi Schwei helped the Shomrim Six when they pleaded for him to intervene?

    Let me remind you:
    http://machanemenachem.wordpress.com/2009/12/01/letter-to-rabbi-shcwei-by-hershkop-family/
    October 3, 2013 10:26 am

  14. WhoIsShmira? Says:

    72. to crownheights.info wrote:

    wow so much hate!!!
    it is utterly disgusting of you to publish such an article, clearly you guys have no respect for the gaboim of the rebbes shule! i do not condone this behaviour in any way but the manner in which you choose to publicise it is totally opposite to that which the rebbe would have wanted! these people are not animals, they are people! fellow jews! they just have an extremely opposite opinion to majority of modern day lubavitch. They are doing that which they see as the right thing to do, (even though it actually is the wrong thing) imagine the extents that we would have gone o to make sure the rebbe would be able hold a seder and do shfoich chamascha before gimmel tammuz! you people should be ashamed of yourselves for speaking about our brothers like this! how dare you publish a comment that says yimach shemo about a frum jew, rov or no rov, smicha or no smicha!! this is a title reserved for hitler and the likes! not our family, we are all in this golus together, do you honestly think that what you are doing is the rotzoin of the rebbe?
    (just something to think about, i will not be surprised if i don’t find this on the comment thread but is something that you guys should take to heart)
    October 3, 2013 1:46 am

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    73. antimesira wrote:

    They are not my brother.
    Are you really going to justify acts of violence, vandalism and mesira as
    “Just a different opnion”?

    ok with me.

    Maybe you would like to hear my opinion in a court of law?

    October 3, 2013 10:19 am

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    74. CHLEAKS.COM wrote:

    “Right or wrong, you’re passionate. You care.” If that doesn’t sum up current liberal attitudes in the face of facts, I don’t know what does. Caring means more to them than actually knowing the difference between something that’s false (wrong) and something that’s true (right).”

    On May 7, 1931, the most sensational manhunt New York City had ever known had come to it’s climex.

    After weeks of search, “Two Gun” Crowley—the killer, the gunman who didn’t smoke or drink—was at
    bay, trapped in his sweetheart’s apartment on West End Avenue.

    One hundred and fifty policemen and detectives laid siege to his top-floor hideaway. They chopped holes in the roof; they tried to smoke out Crowley, the “cop killer,” with tear gas. Then they mounted their machine guns on the surrounding buildings, and for more then an hour one New York’s fine residential areas reverberated with the crack of pistol fire and the rat- tat-tat of machine guns. Crowley, crouching behind an overstuffed chair, fired incessantly at the police. Ten thousand excited people watched the battle. Nothing like it had ever been seen before on the sidewalks of New York.

    When Crowley was captured, Police Commissioner E.P. Mulroney declared that the two-gun desperado was one of the most dangerous criminals ever encountered in the history of New York. “He will kill,” said The Commissioner, “at the drop of a feather.”

    But how did “Two Gun” Crowley regard himself?

    We know, because while the police were firing into his apartment, he wrote a letter addressed “To whom it may concern.” And, as he wrote, the blood flowing from his wounds left a crimson trail on the paper. In
    his letter Crowley said:

    “Under my coat is a weary heart, but a kind one—-one that would do nobody any harm.”

    A short time before this, Crowley had been having a necking party with his girl friend on a country road out on Long Island. Suddenly a policeman walked up to the car and said: “Let me see your license.

    Without saying a word, Crowley drew his gun and cut the policeman down with a shower of lead. As the
    dying officer fell, Crowley leaped out of the car, grabbed the officer’s revolver, and fired another bullet
    into the prostrate body. And that was the killer who said:

    “Under my coat is a weary heart, but a kind one– –one that would do nobody any harm.”

    Crowlet was sentenced to the electric chair. When he arrived at the death house in Sing Sing, did he say, “This is what I get for killing people”? NO, he said: “This is what I get for defending myself.”

    The point of the story is this: “Two Gun” Crowley Didn’t blame himself for anything. That is the usual attitude amongst criminals!!!

    October 3, 2013 1:03 pm
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    75. Chaim Hershkop wrote:

    You know who else “are doing that which they see as the right thing to do”?

    Shomrim six Mossrim:
    The Mosser Shneur Rutem
    The Mosser Shalom Cohen
    The Mosser Yisroel-Noach Belinitzki
    The Mosser Gavriel Braunsein
    The Mosser Yaakov Shatz
    The Mosser Shuki Gur
    The Mosser Elkon-Moshe Gurfinkel
    And everybody who orchestrated and arranged the blood libel.

    These guys really really but really with a real Emes believed they were doing the right thing “(even though it actually is the wrong thing)”. They came to court with hat, jacket and even a Dvar Malchut, yeck they even covered their head with their hands when making blessing on a cup of water while sitting on the stand falsely testifying (with an Emes I might add) against Six innocent Jews.

    Why did we/I even bother putting up a defense. Here I was sitting across seven informers who really really believed in what they were doing was the right thing to do?

    I mean, as long as I think something is right “(even though it actually is the wrong thing)”, I will get a pass, because I’ll do it with an Emes. Great. Who needs Shulchan Aruch.

    The best thing about this way of life is that there will be always be people like you to recognize that I’m doing it with an Emes and you will always be there to justify and excuse me. Great!!!

    Next time you see a Meshichist beat up somebody, vandalizing property or participating in Mesira, walk over and nicely ask him if he truly means well with what hes doing, ask him if he means it with an Emes.

    Get back to me, let me know how it goes.

    October 3, 2013 1:25 pm

  15. WhoIsShmira? Says:

    80. Echad MeAnash wrote:

    What’s the matter with people today? Some wanted 6 Shomrim to go to jail R”L. Others want bochurim who do crazy things but who are still Jews and as much chasidim as most others their age to R”L be charged. Enough mesirah!!! We’re Chabadniks, not the KGB Y”SH. This is crazy, dangerous and everything that the Rabbeim fought against, especially the Frierdiker Rebbe in the 1920s. Rachmono Litzlan calling for any Jew to ch”v be charged! One thing’s clear. The Rebbe has great agmas nefesh and there can be no greater Chilul Lubavitch than for any Lubavitcher to be calling for the mesirah of any other Jew except in cases of live and death or the other two yehoreg val yaavors (real, not imagined, and with permission of a real Bais Din, not Schwei and Braun). But that goes for both sides.
    October 3, 2013 4:12 am
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    81. Chaim Hershkop wrote:

    Had i approached you four years ago and told you about the mesirah on myslef and my fellow shomrim memebers (the Shomrim Six) what would you have done for me?

    Don’t come after one mesirah with your self righteousness and proclaim on top of the hill “the mesra has to stop”.

    The only thing that those who arranged our arrests and later our prosecution regret is that their mesira failed.

    Now go open a Shulchan Aruch and learn the laws of mesirah or just google it.
    October 3, 2013 10:37 am
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    82. Echad MeAnash wrote:

    Chaim, had you approached me four years ago I would have done whatever I could for you. I still think you should sue Schwei and Huebner for the terrible things they allowed to happen to you and your family. I’m not in CH and was a bit out of the loop but wished you well and was happy you were vindicated and feel terrible that you went through it. Not sure what can do, but would help write up a suit against Schwei and Huebner if they refuse a real Bais Din, for free (not a lawyer but have written briefs).
    October 3, 2013 6:50 pm

  16. WhoIsShmira? Says:

    In the following comment I get the best compliment a truth speaker can get:

    107. To CHLEAKS.COM wrote:

    To whomever is the commentor,
    Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I think you should think before you comment and bring down fellow Yidden. Your comments are so extreme–too extreme– as you put down and hurt others.
    E.g:
    Comment number 15, 60, 62 and more, just on this article.
    I think it is rude and insensitive. You can have an opinion without making people feel like garbage.
    I wont be surprised if you flak back at me for this….
    Signed,
    Upset Chossid-ette

    October 3, 2013 10:45 pm


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    108. CHLEAKS.COM wrote:

    Truth does not become more true by virtue of the fact that the entire world agrees with it, nor less so even if the whole world disagrees with it.
    (Rambam: Moreh Nevuchim 2:15)

    I speak the truth.

    If your going to state that I have “extreme” opinion, then please the very least you can do is give one example and try to demonstrate and explain why its an “extreme” opinion.

    As a side note: there are things that people openly say today which were viewed as “extreme” only a few years ago. They didn’t say it years ago because they were intimidated and harassed for just saying their opinion (by those who disagreed with them…mainly Meshichistim -read: https://whoisshmira.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/a-house-divided.pdf).

    Thanks to the Internet and some brave folks like myself who say the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth without fear of intimidation. This is what the Meshichistim (and yourself included) are afraid of…free speech.

    And by the way: My so called “extreme” opinions are just opinions. They are not acts of violence, they are not acts of vandalism and not acts of Mesira. My opinions will not corrupt and ruin/Destroy an entire generation(s).

    Waiting for an example and explanation.
    October 4, 2013 11:05 am
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    109. CHLEAKS.COM wrote:

    “Liberals do not come into the arena of ideas and talk about ideas with us. They do not debate ideas. They destroy people who can articulate things that they don’t want to hear.”

    (Rush Limbaugh 10/4/2013)
    October 5, 2013 9:12 pm

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