The Difference Between a Chabad Yeshiva Bocher and a Meshichist


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How is it that every Meshichist “Bocher” knows [the propaganda and all it’s details] that [for example] Shomrim went in to 749 and beat the living daylights out fellow Meshichistim, but not every Chabad Yeshiva Bocher knows that there was a six week trial, where seven Meshichist “Bochrim” Mossrim testified against Six Shomrim volunteers in an attempt to imprison them for 15 plus years?

I recently asked myself this question after having a discussion with the most recent victim of Meshichist hate. The Bocher had no clue what I was talking about.

This question really bothered me. But thankfully not for long, because when I heard the  same exact answer from two different individuals (who by the way don’t always see eye to eye), I was calmed and realized that this [after all]  is actually a great thing.


Put em up: An artist visualization of a Meshichist youth.

The answer I received when presenting the above question was as follows:

The Mishichist “Bocher” is a lowlife thug/bully, who knows nothing more then hate, negativity, violence and Mesirah.  This is who they are by nature.  This is the way they educate them in their so called Yeshiva [in Tzfat]. They are not taught to study Torah but are taught and trained to fight the Jihad for the Meshichist movement. This is why they are all fluent with all the Meshichist propaganda and politics. This is why a Meshichist “Bocher” from Israel could come to Crown Heights and somehow “know” every bit of politics there is to know. This is why they come here with a [enemy] list of who to hate and whom to fight against.

On the other hand, the Chabad Yeshiva Bocher is totally uninterested in community and/or global politics. The Chabad Yeshiva Bocher does not seek out* politics, he minds his own business and does what is expected of a Yeshiva Bocher. The Chabad Yeshiva Bocher focuses on learning and doing what the Rebbe zt”l demands of a Yeshiva Bocher. Those from the Chabad Yeshiva Bochrim which can’t sit and learn all day will find other useful, positive and productive things to do.

* There are those (not so many and perhaps not enough) that when confronted and challenged (when the politics seeks them out), they will engage in a peaceful manner. This is done either to protect others from getting hurt or to stand up for the Lubavitcher Rebbes zt”l honor.

The Chabad Yeshiva Bocher and the Meshichist are worlds apart.

sheep vs. wolf- Chabad Yeshiva Bocher Vs

Yaakov and Esav – this is the difference.

This is a Meshichist pretending to be a Yeshiva Bocher and a Chossid of the Lubavitcher Rebbe zt"l

This is a Meshichist pretending to be a Chabad Yeshiva Bocher and a Chossid of the Lubavitcher Rebbe zt”l

To close off:

Not all Meshichistim are Mossrim, but all Mossrim are Meshichistim!

…For NOT ONLY ONE has risen up against us to annihilate us, but in every generation THEY rise up against us to annihilate us,

Mishichistim: A Movement of Mosrim

Pesach 5771/2011 Upon a visit to Israel I had the opportunity to meet up with my extended family at a family Simcha (uncles, aunts, cousins and second cousins). We had all come to spend a Shabbos together to celebrate my niece’s Bat-Mitzva.

One of my cousins who was 19 years old at the time was officially a  “student” at the Tzfat “Yeshiva” (the Mishichist headquarters). This (2011) year was his second year at this institution.

My cousin knowing  I was one of the Shomrim Six who stood trial for six weeks, facing 15 plus years in prison if found guilty, related the following to me.

While we sat on trial, the Mishichistim “Bochrim” in his “Yeshiva” were all excited about the prospects of Shomrim being convicted and sent to prison, he said that for six weeks (the course of the trial), the Yeshiva was more alive and joyous then usual. Every day the Bochrim would get  updated as to the proceedings of that day in court. The discussions in the study hall, dining room and dorm rooms were all about the trial.

For six weeks everyday “his friends” would tell him with a smile from ear to ear, “your cousins are going to jail”, “your cousins are screwed”, “we will show them whose boss” etc…

I asked my cousin if this was just a few individuals or the Yeshiva as a whole and to this the reply was the Yeshiva at a whole.

I then asked how was the reaction after the ‘not guilty’ verdict?

“They were all down and depressed, their spirits were down, they couldn’t look me in the eyes, this was a big hit for them” my cousin said.

I have a brother in-law who at the time was as-well in Tzfat “Yeshiva”. I wanted to confirm that what my cousin was saying was  indeed true and so that Motzi Shabbos when I returned to my in-laws home, I asked my brother in-law about how it was when we sat on trial, he said the same exact thing as my cousin, only they told him that “his brother in-law is going to jail”, his brother in-law was screwed”.

The Shomrim Six Mesira was not a Mesira of a few Mishichistim, the whole Mishichist movement (locally in Crown Heights and aboard in Israel) was involved, and they were all excited; praying that the Shomrim Six be found guilty and imprisoned for 15 plus years.

When we (the Shomrim Six) became aware that we are actually going to go to trial, we did everything we possibly can to stop it.

We reached out to Meshichitim “Mashpiyim”, Meshichistim supporters (those doing money laundering business with Mendel Hendel), all to no avail. Being that one never can predict how a jury of 12 strangers will rule and to prevent a major Chillul Hashem, we offered the complainers $5,000 each to drop the charges. We even offered one high ranking meshichist “Shliach” a brand new Safor Torah if he would get involved to stop the Mesira. The Meshichist “Shliach” not only refused to help, he justified Six Jews going to jail for 15 plus years. Six Jews he never met, six Jews with families and jobs, plain and simple six Jews.

It’s important to add (this is just a fact that accrued), in the end, only a few short months  days after the Shomrim Six blood libel trial that lasted for six whole weeks, G-d almighty gave this “Shliach” who refused to get involved in possibly saving Yidden a reason to write his very own Safer Torah (may G-d spear us all from needing to write a Sefer Torah for this reason).

6 Responses to “The Difference Between a Chabad Yeshiva Bocher and a Meshichist”

  1. antimesira Says:

    You forgot one other characteristics of Meshichistim:

    Theft: Stealing from local groceries, restaurants and jumping the turnstile at the train station to mention a few.

  2. FYI Says:

    All those in Kevutza now, were in shuir alef three years ago.

    These are from those who prayed the Shomrim get locked up.

  3. WhoIsShmira? Says:

    “This is why a Meshichist “Bocher” from Israel could come to Crown Heights and somehow “know” every bit of politics there is to know. This is why they come here with a [enemy] list of who to hate and whom to fight against.”

    I would like to add to the above:

    Even those from the Mershichistim who are not so much pretending to be “Chassidush” (by meshichist standards – waving flags and going out to spread the Messianic message etc…), like those that wear a small leather Yechi Kippa with t-shirt and jeans, and doubtful as to whether they lay Tefillin at all, even these guys when it comes to the hate, propaganda or politics of it all, they seem to be so fluent and passionate.

    I would compare this to mafia thugs who would steal and kill but before and after doing so would kiss the cross they wear on their chest or give out chickens to the poor before a holiday. They think that they can do every sin in the book as long as they carry the cross on their chest and still “believe”.

  4. Anash of Crown Heights Says:

    Baroch Hashem I am able to go to the Ohel at-least once if not twice every week. On the way there and way back I almost always have the special opportunity to give Timimim a ride.

    I see how much your right when you write how they don’t know anything that’s going on in Crown heights and politics in general.

    I try to open in conversation with them, but to no avail, they don’t know and they just don’t care.

    This is something we can be proud of.

  5. CHResident Says:

    “The Mishichist “Bocher” is a lowlife thug/bully, who knows nothing more then hate, negativity, violence and Mesirah.”

    And thus he finds a home by the Meshichistim. This is a perfect Sidduch.

    I know a few people I would love if they would wear a Yechi Kippa and a yellow flag to identify their true selves.

    At this point I like the Yechi Kippa and yellow flag. Now I know who not to speak to and whom not to give any money.

    I only wish they would disassociate with Chabad and stop using the image of our Rebbe zt”l for their own purposes.

    Also, I can’t stand the undercover Meshichistim, who hide their true identity in-order to infiltrate and or collect money. Be aware of these undercover Meshichistim and flush them out.

  6. CDH Says:

    Several years ago my parents hosted several Yeshiva Bochrim for a Shabbos mean as we did often. Amongst those were a few with Yechi Kippas.

    At some point in our conversations we were discussing people who don’t believe in Hashem (atheist). One Meshichist preceded to explain how he can understand why someone might not believe in G-d almighty, he explained from his point of view how it makes sense that someone might come to that conclusion.

    A few minutes later the conversation turned to The Rebbe being Moshiach (remember this was years ago). In this conversation this very same Meshichist spoke with absolute certainty on how the Rebbe is defiantly Moshiach.

    I was a young Bocher at the time and noticed the hypocrisy of this Meshichist.

    I said with a smile and singing tune….

    “When it comes to believing in G-d almight who created heaven and earth, YOU have doubts, but when it comes to the identity of Moshiach you know with absolute certainty who it is? interesting!”

    The guy turned red in his face and there was absolute silence for a few minutes.

    I hope I gave him something to think about.

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