Dispute Over Messiah Goes to Court

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By Alessia Pirolo – The Brooklyn Ink

A prayer in the Court of Justice during a break of the trial against six members of the Jewish Patrol Shomrim. Photo: Pirolo/BrooklynInk

Six members of the Orthodox Jewish patrol Shomrim were back in the Brooklyn Supreme Court yesterday, on trial for allegedly attacking yeshiva students in Crown Heights two years ago.

But among the spectators were those from the ultra-Orthodox community who believed that it was one of their victims who instead should have been on trial – for making his accusation public.

Joshua Gur, known as Shuki, had a long black beard that made him look like older than his 23 years. He wore a skullcap emblazoned, in Hebrew, with the words — “Long life to Rebbe Messiah, he never left the world.” Gur is among those Lubavitcher Hasidim – which is based in Crown Heights – who believe that their late Rebbe, or spiritual leader, Rabbi Menachem Mendel Scheneerson, who died in 1994, was, in fact, the Messiah. Believers keep an eternal vigil at his grave.

It was the question of the Rebbe’s sacred place that apparently led to a December 2007 fight in a yeshiva dormitory at 749 Eastern Parkway. The Shomrim were summoned to break up the melee. But, argued assistant district attorney David Weiss, they only worsened the violence, beating the students “indiscriminately.” Several Meshichists were taken to the hospital. One suffered a broken eye socket, another a broken finger.

During yesterday’s testimony, one of the defense attorneys, Israel Fried, asked Gur to watch a video shot during the alleged attack. One of the Shomim could be heard saying, “I’m trying to mediate with you.”

“So Shomrim came to calm things down?” Fried asked.

“I don’t think so,” Gur replied.

Among the spectators was Yosef Lifshitz, father of the defendant Benjamin Lifshitz. “He is lying, he is lying,” he said. The seats, in fact, appeared filled with friends and supporters of the defendants; a handful of Gur’s supporters sat together, off to the side, a small pocket of support in a room filled primarily with those who saw his testimony as a betrayal.

“We are not allowed to bring a dispute in a secular court,” said Lifshitz. The matter, argue the defendants’ supporters, should have been taken to a religious court, a Bet Din. In fact, he argued, in ancient times a Jew who testified publicly against a fellow Jew did so at the risk of his own life. “It’s even allowed to kill him,” Lifshitz said. “But we live in this world and of course we don’t do it.”

He was not alone in his disapproval of Gur’s testimony.

“This guy is not even part of the community, they come form the outside,” said Mayer Hershkop, whose three sons are among the defendants.

The risk of being exiled from the community has apparently given several other potential witnesses pause. On Sunday the yeshiva students came before rabbinical authorities in Crown Heights and agreed to not testify. Last Monday, at the opening of the trial, the prosecution asked to the judge to warn the defendants against tampering with the witnesses.

Meanwhile, Hershkop, mixing Yiddish and English words, said that he wished that the case could have been heard by a Bet Din.

But in criminal court, the defendants, if convicted, face up to15 years in prison.

In Crown Heights, the punishment for the witness could be banishment.

REMEMBER REMEMBER DON’T FORGET!!!

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Transcripts:  The prosecution asked the judge to warn the defendants against tampering with the witnesses.

 

 

 

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5 Responses to “Dispute Over Messiah Goes to Court”

  1. Shomrim Six Says:

    Still very fresh in our memories.

  2. antimesira Says:

    Everything in the article above is 100% correct except one statement.

    “In Crown Heights, the punishment for the witness could be banishment.”

    Sadly there is innocent Jewish blood dripping on every lamp post of Crown Heights as a result of Mesira (from the same Mossrim) and yet they walk freely in our streets, their children are in our schools, we send our kids to their camps and we let them run in elections.

    • The Walking Dead Says:

      Unfortunately the people of CH don’t care about whats right or wrong, people just do whats good and easier for them right now.

      I think this is as a result of all the abuse and Machlokes the Mossrim put CH throughout all these years.

      Instead of fighting for whats right, people chose to roll over and die, CH people are dead inside.

  3. LEVI HUEBNER SETS THE RABONIM UP IN COURT Says:

    Posted on November 3, 2009 on WIS

    AFTER SEVERAL CROWN HEIGHTS RABONIM TOOK THE INITIATIVE TO CALL ALL PARTIES TO A DIN TORAH LEVY HUEBNER TURNS THE GUN AT THE BAIS DIN.

    AFTER SEVERAL WEB SITES POSTED PIDYON SHVUYIM PLEAS FOR MEMBERS OF SHOMRIM THE CROWN HEIGHTS BAIS DIN LOOKED IN TO THE MATTER. AN URGENT HAZMONA L’DIN WAS SENT OUT TO ALL PARTIES INVOLVED INCLUDING LEVY HUEBNER A LAWYER FOR SHMIRA.

    THE DIN TORAH WAS TO TAKE PLACE ON SUNDAY AT 9:00. HUEBNER SHOWED UP AT 9:30 WITH THE 749 BOYS AND TOOK SOME PHOTO IN FRONT OF THE BAIS DIN OFFICE. AFTER ABOUT 15 MINUTES HE LEFT. RABBI SEGAL THEN CALLED HIM EXPRESSING CONCERN AS TO WHY HE DID NOT SHOW UP. HUEBNER TOLD HIM THAT HE WILL BE BACK AT 10:30. SUSPICIOUS OF HUEBNER THE MEMBERS OF SHOMRIM OPTED NOT TO SHOW WITHOUT THEIR ATTORNEYS PERMISSION.

    HUEBNER AND HIS BOYS SHOWED UP AND DEMANDED SEVERAL THINGS FROM THE RABBI SEGAL. SEGAL INFORMED HIM ABOUT THE HALACHA AND ASSURED HIM HE WILL FOLLOW THRU WITH THE SHOMRIM 6.

    HUEBNER HOWEVER HAD OTHER INTENTIONS. MONDAY MORNING THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY IN CHARGE OPENED THE COURT HEARING WITH A CHARGE THAT THE CROWN HEIGHTS BAIS DIN WAS IN CONTEMPT OF COURT WITH REGARD TO WITTINESS TAMPERING AND HE WILL FOLLOW THRU WITH A WARRANT.

    PAUL LEVI HUEBNER IS A VICIOUS MOSER WHO POSSESES A DANGER TO OUR COMMUNITY. WE MUST PUBLICLY EXCOMMUNICATE HIM. OUR SCHOOLS MUST SEND HIS CHILDREN HOME. HE MUST BE THROWN OUT BEFORE HE SPREADS MORE OF HIS HATEFUL MESIRA.

  4. Toshav Says:

    Mishichistim only believe in themselves and only use the lubavitcher Rebbe ZT”l and the Moshiach to further their own agenda of money and power.

    The Shomrim Six trial was an attempt to intimidate people in to doing as they are told. Had the Mishichist Mesira g-d forbid succeeded people like Mendel Hendel and Co. would us the Shomrim Six as an example.

    They would be threating people “get in line or we will do to you like we did to Shomrim/Hershkop”.

    The whole of Crown Heights should be thanking G-d that the Shomrim Six were found not guilty. Had they been found guilty and sent to jail the whole of Crown Heights would be going to prison with them.

    Crown Heights was taken to trial by Mendel Hendel and gang of Mossrim.

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