Ever Wonder What Split Shomrim?

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Originally Posted On April 24, 2008

In January of 1999, four Crown Heights ‘Bochurim‘ got into a car on Erev Shabbos and drove to Montreal, they arrived there on Friday night and went into an industrial area where they knew of a Gemach that had their offices there, within those offices was a safe which contained a “large sum of money” said to have more then a half a million US Dollars. These “Bochurim”, two of which were members of the then ‘Shmira’ (prior to the split).

In the dark of the night they broke into the offices and pushed the safe out of a second floor window, a passing resident heard the smashing of glass and the thunderous noise of the safe hitting the ground, and called police who promptly arrived on scene and managed to apprehend three of the four would be robbers.

The local newspaper got wind of the story and ran the article. Carim Stern is in fact Dovid Rogatsky, while the one the got away is rumored to be Yanky Prager. They entered Montreal using fake IDs, hence the newspaper getting their names wrong.

After news of the botched robbery got back to Crown Heights, a meeting was called amongst Shomrim members and a vote was held in order to determine what to do with Rogatsky, and the majority voted that he be suspended pending the outcome of the trial.

At the time Yossi Stern was NOT involved in any aspect of Shomrim.

Yanky Prager together with a few of his loyalists decided that this was not OK with him. He called out “If you don’t take Rogatsky back we will start our own patrol” so they broke off and Shmira was officially formed.

A number of the core group that made up Shomrim , maintaining the original phone number and radio communication system.

It was at this time that Yanky Prager enlisted the help of the plumber Yossi Stern and re-formed the name Shmira, and began in a vicious propaganda and pashkville campaign, bashmutzing the Hershkop Brothers along with Lazer Keivman who was a Shomrim coordinator. Even going as far as getting them locked up on false charges on assault and robbery, not to mention all the different agency’s that were called upon to help them in there holy war. They managed to align themselves with the CHJCC, who themselves were receiving funds for a Community Patrol but didn’t really have one, so as a matter of convenience they took them in.

Now, do you ever wonder what split Shimra?

The article was translated from French using google translate, good luck interpreting it.

Thieves newyorkais arrived just in time: who has filled?

Police in the urban community of downtown negent always a mystery in their full inquiry into the theft of a safe filled with money in a house exchange Saint Laurent, last weekend.

The record, however, should be very clear because all the money, a very large sum, was found and that a gang of thieves had been caught in flagrante delicto.

Investigators from the squad of robberies has CMU wonder how three Americans arrested were also important that a sum was in the trade.

This is surely not a coincidence that these thieves arrived in Montreal at the time, for the first time, there were a lot of money on the scene, said Lieutenant-detective Normand Thibault.

The Americain

On board two vehicles rented, one has Dorval and the other in Virginia, the four young members of a gang of the region from New York attacks were a corporation finaniere Cambridge in 3300, Cote-Vertu, last Sunday .

The thieves are not alles hand dead. they simply launches large safe in the snow through a window of the second floor of the building.

It is a citizen who was preparing to leave a parking lot which notifies the police, after having heard a big roar and a window broken.

The police have picked any suspects near the scene. They also seek a fourth robber who has succeeded to flee.

The three individuals surprised by, patrollers have appeared in criminal chamber of the Court of Quebec.

Samuel Green, 25, Chairm Stern, 24, and Yani Yota, 26 years, all residents of the region from New York, were given their freedom after a brief stint debant the judge.

The case will return to court next month.

By the detective sergeant-Michel Herbert was charged to find out how the thieves were able to get a propitious moment a hotel and head directly into a trade precis.

Related:

Satan Caught Stealing

25 Responses to “Ever Wonder What Split Shomrim?”

  1. meyer lansky Says:

    Shomrim now you know why people hate you and this is so disgustin u will burn in hell for this god will punish you so bad he may even put his act into mans hands for this

    I just hope you never get cought for this site and many others you have put up in the past about people, remeber one day you will just slip and tell some and he will tell somone else it might be 20 years but payback will hurt a lot for just remeber you will have too look over your shoulder for the rest of life becouse when they do find you etc……

    May god blews your soul

  2. Stern Says:

    thank you for leting the people know, not that we don’t already know meaning people that dealt and deal with these guys they did not change they still can not be trusted

  3. ? Says:

    people change…… or do they?

  4. wondering... Says:

    You mention; “a vicious propaganda and pashkville campaign, bashmutzing the …” in such a derogatory way, as if there is something wrong with it.
    I was always under the impression that a PASHKVILLE was a letter accusing someone of wrongdoing or belittling them in some way, insisting on reform, and bearing now signature or identifying markers as to who the author was.
    PROPAGANDA is a concerted set of messages aimed at influencing the opinions or behavior of large numbers of people. Instead of impartially providing information, propaganda in its most basic sense presents information in order to influence its audience.
    with the definitions in place i find a striking resemblance between them and this entire website/blog. The entire intent of which is to BASHMUTZ a group of people which collectively work for an organization in Crown Heights.
    If the organization is faulty or not, and if some of it’s members have indeed committed certain wrongdoings is not just cause for degrading everyone involved. The information on this site, though some of it is true (in every lie there is a little bit of truth) contains a vast amount of misinformation and straight-out falsifications, fabricated solely to portray the members of this organization as immature, criminal, socially inept, etc..
    The fact that there is no one willing to take responsibility for it either, no author listed, shows the hypocrisy of the author.
    Do not complain about a pashkville and propaganda campaign on a site which exists merely as an example of such a campaign.

  5. A Jew Says:

    your all a bunch of sick **** that are not helping anything with your loshon hara and rechilis what makes you any better the the shvartzes??? dont you see how making a page like this you are just making the situation a whole lot worse by spreading this shit

  6. Help Says:

    This story is so far from the truth, it is all about stolen money from an old man and egos.
    Shmira and Shomrim are far from saint it this fight, they are playing personal fight at the community’s expense.
    most the units in both group were in diapers when this fight started and should not be getting involved.
    To sell yiden to the Cops is inexcusable, giving names and plate #, just to try get of the hook.
    and there aint going to be no riots just because some Cops kid threw rocks at a guy on a bike and got maced.its all media hype.

  7. CH Says:

    Propaganda is a concerted set of messages aimed at influencing the opinions or behavior of large numbers of people. Instead of impartially providing information, propaganda in its most basic sense presents
    information in order to influence its audience. The most effective propaganda is often completely truthful, but some propaganda presents facts selectively (thus lying by omission) to encourage a particular synthesis, or gives loaded messages in order to produce an emotional rather than rational response to the information presented. The desired result is a change of the cognitive narrative of the subject in the target audience. Propaganda is most frequently employed in the service of political and military ends. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda)

    Wondering… Says: (I don’t think you are such a wondering person in this case, other wise you would not mix in or you would be asking the right being a person who only wants the truth)

    “he entire intent of which is to BASHMUTZ a group of people which collectively work for an organization in Crown Heights.”

    Just because they are an “organization” does not make them legit and that’s what this web sit is here to proof.

    “If the organization is faulty or not, and if some of its members have indeed committed certain wrongdoings is not just cause for degrading everyone involved.”

    It’s called “Guilty of association”. Let’s say they (the members) did not know about all the information this web site is providing until today then we can give them a pass, but now they know. Now they know that there “leaders” mean no good, not Yesterday and not today, If they are still involved in this “organization” they are just as guilty.

    “The information on this site, though some of it is true (in every lie there is a little bit of truth) contains a vast amount of misinformation and straight-out falsifications, fabricated solely to portray the members of this organization as immature, criminal, socially inept, etc..”

    You wrote so much until now, please continue to elaborate (explain to the people, its ok we can recognize the truth) that’s why we have the comments (I believe the person running this site is actually encouraging people with information to write him in).

    “The fact that there is no one willing to take responsibility for it either, no author listed, shows the hypocrisy of the author.”

    We all know what will happen if he was to write his name (don’t pretend to be stupid). We all know he his siding with Shomrim, if you want to know the truth go ask one of the senior members if what is being said is true. Go to both sides, make your own conclusion.

    From the above we learn that Propaganda is giving miss information (even if it’s the truth) etc… n this sit I see details, I see proof and I see an option for people to either criticize/deny ask questions about what is being said. If there is miss information and you know that for a FACT then say something (and proof it).
    Saying something is propaganda does not make it so.
    I don’t see any statements with out explanations.
    I know that liberals relay on people being stupid, but I have more faith in people, they can come to there own conclusion (that is something liberals are afraid of).

  8. shtickdrek Says:

    ch if what your saying is true then i can feel free to dig in to any shomrim member and his family ? everyone has pasts and if your trying to show the world what certain people have done then do that and not as you call guilty by association two wrongs don’t make a right and i do not know what is worse the fact that you actually believe half this or the fact that you feel that who evers blog this is is doing a good thing

    • WhoIsShmira? Says:

      Two years have past since the above comment. Since then we all witnessed the blood libel known now as the shomrim six trial.

      This web site started a few month after those individuals were wrongfully arrested.

      Now I ask….
      IF TWO WRONG DON’T MAKE A RIGHT….THEN HOW MANY WRONGS DO MAKE A RIGHT?

      DON’T CRY WHEN YOU GET IT BACK!!!

  9. shtickdrek Says:

    one last thing i forget if the person who writes this blog did want people to comment then he would actually post everyones comments i myself wrote comments on a few items and they were never posted so do not tell us about he wants comments and discussion

  10. HCDESIGNDECOR@AOL.COM Says:

    POOR MAGGIE, WHAT ARE PEOPLE THINKING ANOUT HER PERFECT LIFE NOW

  11. WhoIsShmira? Says:

    shtickdrek, if you think i give a rats a** about your comments or anyone else’s you are delusional.

    my goal is to bring out this information on the horrible people that are behind shmira, an evil self serving organization with is sucking our community for all its worth.

    if you feel you can contribute then you are welcome to email me at whoisshmira@gmail.com and i will take it from there.

  12. HcDesignDecor@aol.com Says:

    Poor Maggie, what are people saying now about your perfect little life now!!!

  13. shtickdrek Says:

    apparently i am not that delusional because comments that i have wrote never made it on here and please spare us the bit about bring out information about horrible people you with this blog are right up there with them and no i am not a shmira member nor do i give as you would say a rats a** about shmira or shomrim i think you are both pathetic but the fact is what you are doing is not some good deed like a night in shining armor you are just as bad if not worse sitting behind a computer if you felt so highly of what you doing and it was just then you would just come out and say what you are writing cuase if it was right people would defend you obviously that is not the case

  14. WhoIsShmira? Says:

    just like you dont care about shomrim and shmira, and you even added that you think they are pathetic, i wonder if you think the same of hatzolah… but nevertheless, just like you dont care, others dont care either and to come out and let everyone know who i am would be suicide.

    now if shmira would have hurt you or a family member of yours i KNOW you will be singing a different tune.

  15. shtickdrek Says:

    first off you shouldn’t even be mentioning hatzolah in the same breath as you guys the work they do is not even on same planet second i do not think i would be singing another tune thats what happens when you as you call it associate with dirt and i know you do not think that shomrim is dirt but i have news for you back in the day the heads of both shmira and shomrim were all good freinds they did all the dirty things together so do not think for a second that your people weren’t involved in the s**t so truth it dosnt surprise me that you or your family was hurt if thats what your implying

  16. billhouse Says:

    In the late events that have been occurring in this community what I have found most painful is that in times of trouble instead of everyone uniting they are all looking to fight with each other even more, don’t all jews know that when Hitler came to kill he didn’t differentiate between religious or secular, rich or poor jews etc. By stirring up conflicts amongst ourselves we are not helping anyone in this community. All we are doing is making the enemies laugh harder at us and take advantage of all of our weakness.

    We are coming out of passover, one of the curses it says on was given to the Egyptians was “Lemakeh Mitzraim Bivchoreihem” and as a father knows when your children are united you cant punish them, why do we need to fight and take advantage of someone elses problem or mistake to stir it up and cause more Machlokes and sinas chinam? Anyone spreading hate and humiliation is only showing how low their own self respect is.

    At one point we had to see fighting between the Mishichists and the anti’s, then between the Rabonim and the community council, don’t we see that all it did for all parties involved was for the majority of the community to lose respect for all sides involved? Lets all grow up and stop acting like a bunch of primitive uneducated people.

  17. CH Says:

    shtickdrek Says:

    “ch if what your saying is true then I can feel free to dig in to any shomrim member and his family ?”

    Feel free, let me tell you in advance that you won’t find any thing.
    How do I know this?

    There are people that for the last ten years have done nothing more then to try to destroy Shomrim (no sleep for them), those people are (dram roll please) SURPRISE- Shmira.
    They have tried it all, false arrest of shomrim members, Miserha to government agencies the list goes on.
    Guess what? Shomrim has only gotten stronger and better.
    So don’t tell me that you can find dirt on them!
    You see that is what in inspiring the Shmira to do Miserah, they can’t stand the fact that they are dirty and others are clean, they feel the only way to clean themselves is if the others also have a blemish.

  18. Mendy W. Says:

    may hashem punish all of their genitals

  19. Jusef D. Says:

    Shmira, Shomrim, sounds like civil war between vigilante groups. The same thing is done in Israel. Let the Police and the trained professionals handle crime. Try getting along with others even if they are not like you or your community.

  20. true killers Says:

    they can get away with any crime but the author of this site he’s the sick one.
    What will be with this would?
    don’t punish the people doing crime punish the people reporting them!

  21. Rozy Says:

    I remember when rogatsky the piece of shit thief was caught stealing the safe in Montreal. He belongs in jail with filthy stinking niggers, and not running loose in our neighborhood.

  22. HUH? Says:

    Which Raizy Kievman is the above? The one I know would not use this kind of language.

    Guys, I am on your side but please don’t stoop to using phony names and/or please check all of your commentors carefully for identity theft.

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