Mishichist Pride! One Sin Leads to Another Sin! How it Came Down To This. Chain Reaction!


שמצוה גוררת מצוה, ועברה גוררת עברה, ששכר מצוה מצוה, ושכר עברה עברה (פרקי אבות פרק ד משנה ב) י

Yoel Kraus IbizaHow did it get this far?
When did this start?
Who takes responsibility?

How come every time a mishichist does something like this, the mishichist party gets away with it by claiming “Oh, he’s crazy”… Oh, He’s not a real mishichist” etc… This is as real as it gets. This guy is just a result of all the craziness before him.

Yesterday, this guy was their hero, now they will dismiss him like a nothing, now they will pretend to disown him. But we all know the truth, that in the end they all chair on these people, they would rather have crazies like this , then G-d forbid have an “Anti” around.

Heres how it works…Chain reaction.

When the “Crazy Ladies” who hang out in 770 all day, you know, the ones that don’t fast and take off their Shatals etc…
When they go hang up signs outside 770 and are stopped by normal; sane people (Chabadniks), who comes to their rescue; who comes to justify this craziness?

You guessed it, The “Crazy Tzvatim”.

When the “Crazy Tzvatim” get in to trouble (whether they beat somebody up or damaged 770 etc..), Who comes to their rescue? Yes you guessed it, “The Gabboyim”; Chabad.info and all the so called “normal or moderate mishichistim”.

When the “Gabboyim” are in trouble, who sticks up for them; who justifies them?
The so called “Let’s all get along”, “why all the fighting”, “we both believe in the same thing” etc…etc… the so called “Normal Mishichist”.

You see my friends, there is no such thing as a “normal mishichist”, if he was normal, he would not be a misichist.
Like the joke goes… “Is he crazy because he has a Yechi Kipa or is it that because he is crazy thats why he has a Yechi”?
I say its both!. [If someone is truly “normal”, then he will get out of this Mishichist craziness, once he grows up]. If it wasn’t Mishicihskit these same people would be hugging trees.

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Chain Reaction 1 Mesichistim - one sin leads to anotherChain Reaction 2 Mesichistim- one sin leads to another sinChain Reaction 3 Mesichistim- one sin leads to another sin

Meshicihse Poster Lady takes of here Shatal

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collive and Chabad.info working hand in hand (wow sweet love!)

Collive and Chabad.info working hand in hand (wow sweet love!)

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98 Responses to “Mishichist Pride! One Sin Leads to Another Sin! How it Came Down To This. Chain Reaction!”

  1. antimesira Says:

    They also happen to be the ones always going to court and doing Mesira.
    All in the name of “believing”.

    But their allowed and your not!

  2. joe Says:

    yo leave the Cincinnati yeshiva out of this because its not a secret who’s younger brother went there last year

    • everybodyknows Says:

      whos younger brother went there last year and what difference would that make?
      What makes the Cincinnati yeshiva mishichist any different then the other crazy mishichist from Ibiza?

  3. Rambam: Says:


    Chapter One

    1) In the days of Enosh, the people deviated, and the counsel of the wise people degenerated into stupidity. Enosh himself was amongst those who deviated. Their mistaken reasoning was that since God created the skies and spheres as part of nature, and placed them high up [in the skies], and gave them dignity, and that they are servants who serve Him, it would be appropriate to laud, glorify and honor them as well. It is the will of the Almighty to make great and to dignify those who make Him great and honor Him, in the same way that a king wants to honor the servants who serve him – such is the honor of a king. Once this matter was decided upon, they proceeded to build temples to the stars, to bring sacrifices to them, to laud and glorify them verbally and to bow down to them, in order to attain [by these means] the will of the Creator by their opinions, which were evil. This was the core of idolatry, but the knowledgeable worshippers did not deny the existence of God by saying that only such-and-such a star exists. This is what Jeremiah said: “Who would not fear You, King of the nations? For to you it is fitting, for among all the wise men of the nations, and in all their kingdoms there is none like you. Stupid and senseless are they all – the teaching of their vain idols is but wood!”; that is to say that everyone knows that just God exists, but their mistake and foolishness was to imagine that idolatry was God’s will.

    2) After some time, prophets of falsehood arose, and said that the Almighty had commanded them to serve such-and-such a star, to bring sacrifices to it, to offer drink sacrifices to it and to build a temple containing its form to it, in order that all people -including women, children and ignoramuses – will be able to bow down to it. Each of these prophets made known a form which he had invented himself, and claimed that it was the form of such-and-such a star which had been made known to him in a prophecy. In this manner, people started to make figures in the temples, under trees and on the tops of mountains and hills, and they congregated and bowed down to them. The prophets said that it was a form which brought good and bad, and that it was fitting to serve and fear it. The prophets said that through this service one will multiply and be successful, and issued instructions concerning what may and may not be done. Other prophets of falsehood began to make themselves known, and said that the star itself, or a sphere or angel, had spoken to them about how to be served, and what may or may not be done. This matter, namely the worship of forms in different manners, the offering of sacrifices to them and the bowing down to them, became propagated throughout the whole world. Owing to the passage of time, the honored and fear-inducing Name was forgotten by all of nature, and was not recognized. Everybody, women and children included, knew only their forms of wood and stone, and the temples of stone, which, from childhood, they had been educated to bow down to, worship and take the name of for oaths. The wise people amongst them, such as the priests, imagined that there is no God, but only the stars and spheres, because of whom they made representative figures. But as for the Creator, there was not a single person who recognized Him, except for various individuals, such as Hanoch, Methuselah, Noah, Shem and Eber. Things continued in this manner until Abraham the Patriarch, supporter of the world, was born.

  4. Rambam: Says:

    [Anybody can go and learn the Rambam for himself.
    Unfortunately, you will find that many of the Halochos of Avodas Zhora apply to the Mishichistem.]

    We must all ask ourselves, What makes this any worse then all the other Mishugasim (craziness) that have been happening since 27 of Adar 1992. (Were “The wise people amongst them, such as the priests, imagined that there is no God”- <Rambam above – and started doing what they wised.)
    Why is this more wrong then anything (starting with Yechi) leading up to this?
    Did this start over night?
    How did these people come to these conclusions?
    Were did they get this type of Chutzpa do make a mockery of our Rebbe?

    The answer is that this did not start yesterday; this did not start like this. “The end is wedged in the beginning”.

    If the Mishichist can go and publish whole books and magazines making a Mockery of the Rebbes Sichos, why can’t they with the same philosophy go do this?

  5. A True believer Says:

    Listen, the man is wrong and is going against Shulchan Aruch, but I will give credit were credit is due. At least hes doing what he believes (again, what he believes is wrong).
    Anybody who Prides themselves and considers himself a Mesichist should and most do what he does. That is if they are TRUE believers.

    Otherwise your not a true meshichist and just another phone, faker and pretender doing what good for you.

  6. Bais Moshiach Says:

    The Rebbe MH’M said you have to be crazy about moshiach
    that means you have to do everything, even be crazy if it makes moshiach come or be here already.

    when your on a mission like this, who has time to open a shulchan aruch (like the story with the arizal, when he asked his followers to go to yerusalyim etc..)

    Yechi Hamelech.
    Moshiach is already here!
    come join me in Ibiza a.k.a. gan eden

  7. Emes Says:

    Mr. WIS,
    With your reasoning, i could go a step further and say: “It all started with him being a Lubavitcher… Every time a Lubavitcher does something like this, the Lubavitch party gets away with it by claiming “Oh, he’s crazy”… Oh, He’s not a Lubavitcher” etc…”
    So where does it end?

    • antimesira Says:

      No your wrong!

      The problem is he was a mishichist all along.
      He was a wacko all this time, like WIS wrote above, if it was not this this guy would be hugging tress. The Reason he is where he is (as a mishichist) is becuase the mishichist craziness fits his way of life.
      Basically, mishichzim and craziness and wackos go hand in hand, they always find each other. I think WIS implied all of this above.

      “Every time a Lubavitcher does something like this,”

      Then hes not a Lubavitcher! Hes not doing what the Rebbe wants, period!

      Thats why we have a Leader; a Rebbe, thats why we have guide-lines, rules etc… A Shulchan Aruch!

      Besides, are you in some way trying to justify this guy?

  8. Chabadnik Says:

    Emes wrote:

    “Every time a Lubavitcher does something like this, the Lubavitch party gets away with it by claiming “Oh, he’s crazy”… Oh, He’s not a Lubavitcher” etc…”

    1. give an example

    2. if that was the case then it would be a Chillul Lubavitch and a Chillul Hashem. Never have I seen anybody excuse a Shlichas if g-d forbid he was or did anything wrong.

    3. (sarcastic) We would just call this person doing wrong a misichist

  9. Who Are The Misihichistim? Says:


  10. Emes Says:

    @ antimesira
    My point is, that a Snag can come along and say the same thing about Lubavitch as a whole, that “look what it led to”… And just like you would say that “he went off the ways of Lubavitch”… So why can’t the Mishichistim say the same?
    And no, I”m in no way shape or form trying to justify this wacko (i don’t know where you deduced that from)!

    • antimesira Says:

      Then I would ask this “snag”*, what, when, where and why?
      If he has a point, then I must admit (and correct my wrong), otherwise anybody can say anything and so what?
      If an individual or group is making a Chillul Hashem, I don’t care who he or they are, it’s still a Chillul Chashem. If he or they are Lubavitchers then he’s/they making a Chillul Lubavitch and a mockery of the Lubavitcher Rebbe (and all of Chassidis). By the way, not every time somebody gives “criticism” is he a “snag”, if this person giving criticism is right then you have make a Cheshbon Nefesh.

      Unfortunately the mishichistim associated themselves to Chabad and (try) to hijack the Lubavitcher Rebbe. Baroch Hashem Ze L’umate ze, Chabad (The Rebbes Chabad) is growing in leaps and bounds. “a little light pushes away a lot off darkness”.

      Know this, the essentials (the essence; the bias) of Chabad Lubavitch are perfect. The Chassidim are something else, That why I am not a Chassid of Chassidim but of the Rebbe (the Rebbe that represents Torah, shulchan Aruch etc…)

      When you don’t know your facts, when you don’t have the proper knowledge (understanding) and background, meaning you did not learn enough, then yes, you will get confused by the “sang”* and yes, the “snag” may be right (at that moment).

      *Snag- There is a “sang” in each and everyone of us; there are also “Snags” who live amongst us, pretending to be like us (In this article they are called “mishichistim”).

  11. fugly Says:

    wow this guy is a real nut job

  12. collive Says:


  13. Chabad.info Says:

    This mishichist was a regular on chabad.info
    All the links are disabled.

    Chabad Info | חב”ד אינפו –
    The story began during this past Tishrei when Harav Yoel Kraus …received an ‘unexplainable’ answer from the Rebbe about purchasing a building for Chabad …

    Chabad.Info | News
    Rabbi Yoel Kraus.the Shliach to Ibiza, an island of the coast of Spain, … Today, Kraus, runs a fully operating Chabad House, which serves locals and …

    Chabad.Info – News |
    Email your Simcha or Mazal Tov to mazaltov@chabad.info … This Pesach, Chabad of Ibiza led by Rabbi Yoel Kraus led an unprecedented Matzoh distribution …

    Chabad.Info – News | Shlichus in Ibiza
    The shliach to Ibiza, Rabbi Yoel Krauss .has recently met with the Governor of the … Rabbi Kraus told Chabad.info that although the island’s atmosphere …

    Chabad.Info – News | Huge Passover Campaign in Ibiza
    – [ Translate this page ]
    This Pesach, Chabad of Ibiza led by Rabbi Yoel Kraus led an unprecedented Matzoh … along with literature on the holiday and information about Moshiach. …

    Chabad.Info | News
    However this year, thanks to the activities of Rabbi Yoel Kraus the flame of … Hundreds of Jews vacationing in Ibiza were delighted to meet a chabad rabbi …

  14. Massive Chilul Hashem, or Kidush Hashem? Says:


  15. The Tragedy in 770 Says:

    Rabbi Dovid Eliezrie

    A moment of glory and pride turned to embarrassment and sadness on Sunday night. Over three and half thousand Schluchim and guests celebrated the banquet of the Kinus with pride and commitment to the Rebbe. Rabbi Moshe Kotlarksy recalled the first Kinus when Rabbi Sholom Posner asked each of us to introduce ourselves which became as time went on the famous roll call. For some like myself who has watched the evolution of the Kinus from a small group to the powerhouse it was a special moment of Chassideshe Nachas.

    That moment of joy was shattered later that night by a group hat has made violence and terror their symbol. When many of the Shluchim returned to 770 to farbreng. Some members of the Kvutza from Tzefas tried to interfere with the Farbrengen, the Shluchim continued ignoring them. Finally they attacked those who have spent decades as the Rebbe’s Shluchim. Throwing benches, sidurim and using fists. They broke the leg of a Baal Mesrias Nefesh who went recently to the remote country of Vietnam to spread Yiddiskiet.

    Are any of us proud of 770 today. Or do we cringe with distaste when we walk in and see how craziness has become dominant. Do we invite our Mekurvim or do we fear that they will share bad feelings and it will cause them to loose respect for Lubavitch. A few months ago a doctor and his son from our community decided to stop by 770 during a visit to New York. There they where accosted by this group. When they returned they asked me “has Lubavitch gone crazy?”

    Shabbos in Shul in 770 I had a conversation with some of the Anash from Crown Heights. They where quite disturbed with what has been going on there. When I challenged them “do something, you live here” there response was telling. “Listen, we work hard, we come home we want to have a few moments with our families and open a sefer”. We don’t like what’s going on, but what can we do?

    The Germara says Shitka Keodaah Dami. Its not just Anash in Crown Heights, the sad truth is we are all guilty of this. Our silence and passivity has allowed this happen. We have permitted a distortion of Chassidus, a corruption of everything the Rebbe held dear. A week is growing that is destroying Lubavitch. All of us, Anash, Shluchim, Rabbonim sit by on the side as a small group of Bachurim use violence to impose their radical agenda on the rest of the community.

    In Lubavitch there is an attitude of acceptance to every Jew. Maybe we should be “melamed Zechus,” our inaction is a product of this ideology of Ahavas Yisroel. But we have to ask ourselves a question, when does that acceptance undermine the very foundations or our community? Be it due to our tolerance, our apathy or our fear of their violence we have abdicated our responsibility as Chassidim. For years we have stood on the sidelines, afraid to confront this immorality in our midst.

    Some say “what can we do” others say “its just a small group so what’s the big deal”. Others claim “don’t worry with time it will go away”. Let’s face the truth it’s not going away. The lesson of Sunday night is that this group feels that they are the Bala Batim in 770. They act brazenly without respect to anyone, be it rabbonim, older Shluchim or Anash. They are a law unto themselves.

    Its time to act. We cannot be silent anymore. Let’s be honest, we all share in this tragedy because we have not acted till now.

    In my opinion this is what needs to be done:

    1. Its time to cut down the tree that produces this fruit. This group is a product of the Yeshiva in Tzefas. Its time for Anash to stop supporting this Yeshiva financially . Parents should not send their children there, we have many wonderful Yeshivas that do not produce violent Bochurim, let them attend those Yeshivas. This institution should not be part of the Lubavitch system.

    2. The Gabaim in 770 must either control the situation or resign. They are responsible for the daily activity of the Shul. If they support this kind of activity they have no role as community leaders. If they can’t stop it they are failures as leaders.

    3. Merkos and Aguch, who sat on the sidelines for years. Finally after the incident with the Even Hapinah they launched a legal case to take control of 770. A responsibility the Rebbe clearly entrusted to them. The first part of the case has been resolved declaring them owners of the property. The second part must continue aggressively. Those close to the case tell me that it is a clear cut case of property ownership and will be settled shortly. After the court judgment they need to act decisively to take control of the Shul. If the existing leadership continues to be a partner with these violent Bachurim they should be removed.

    4. The Rabbanim of Crown Heights must speak out strongly and decisively against this violence. Its time for them to speak out with one voice against the violence and abuse of Beis Rabbinu Shebebavel.

    5.The Anash of Crown Heights need to stop sitting in the sidelines. They live in the neighborhood. They daaven there its time for them to act. Let them create a committee of local Anash to stop the abuse of 770.

    6. The Hanhalah of the Yeshiva in 770 needs to expel these students from the Yeshiva and terminate their visas. When they are expelled the Yeshiva should inform Homeland Security and the INS that these students involved in violence and are expelled, therefore their visas are no longer valid. The parents of these Bachurim need to contacted by the Hanahalah and informed that their sons are expelled and out of control.

    7.The Shluchim around the world need to support all of the above. They need to start coming to 770 on a regular basis, having Farbrengen downstairs and stand up to these Bachurim. They need to support Anash in Crown Heights in Crown Heights the efforts of Aguch/Merkos and all that are willing to stand up to this immorality.

    As Lubavitch we claim a mantle of leadership in the Jewish world. We teach Torah, we challenge other Jews and groups to live up to its ideals. However in truth we are failing our own home and community. How can we tell the whole world how to live if we tolerate such decadence in our midst. How can we stand at the Ohel with self respect when we now what we are allowing to go on in the Rebbe’s Shul. How can a small group of violent Bachurim, who never sat at a Farbrengen, never went into Yechidus, never spent years on Shlichus define the direction of Lubavitch. Its time for all of us to act and stop sitting on the sidelines.
    2 Kislev 5767

  16. antimishichist Says:

    Notice how every time you try to proof how the mishichistim are crazy the mishichist or the mishichist justifier will always attempt to change the direction of the conversation to the believe in moshiach in general.

    For example:
    Read some of the comments to the Video above (where the “Mh”M passes by in 2006). The real subject should be of how crazy and wacked these people are, but some mishichist as always managed to change the subject about…either
    A. the believe in Moshiach or
    B. Can the Rebbe be Moshiach.

    Thats not what in being discussed, but they can never admit that they are wrong, so they try to spin the subject to something else.

  17. easier to be a mishichist Says:

    It’s so much easier to be a mishichist, much like the liberals today you don’t need to know to much. All you need is a few talking points and your good to go.
    Memories those talking point and you can always bring it up no matter the subject matter.
    Remember, just repeat and repeat, talk louder then the other guy, get personal (call the other guy every name in the book) and your a perfect mishichist.

  18. antimishichist Says:

    Notice how all these years, without any shame or embarrassment, the mishichistim have denounced and made ridicule of anybody no matter who, who did not hold in their “believes” and politics. Don’t believe me? Open A Bais Moshiach magazine from back when (and even even today). Read all the hate on Chabad.info etc…

    Yet, when a mishichist, one they would call one of ‘their own’, does something out of whack, silence, quit, nothing, not a sound, they have a loss of words.

    What a bunch of hate mongering hypocrites.

    One change i see (not with the mishichistim), the mishichist intimidation is not working anymore. There was a time that non-mishichistim – Chabad Lubavitchers were afraid to say many things because they were intimadated with statements like “how could you say such a thing?” and “your a hateful person” etc… etc….
    Well my friends, those days are over, I’m saying whats true, I’m stating facts etc… I’m not afraid of your hate and anger.

  19. antimesira Says:

    ‘Mishichist’ is just a political party, it has nothing to do with any believe, it has nothing to do with Chabad Lubavitch, it has nothing to do with the Rebbe or Moshiach!

    A bunch of people full of hate came together and formed a group. To fool perhaps themselves and others they gave it a “spiritual” twist (Moshiach, Yechi etc…).

    When people will start looking at the facts, whats Right and Wrong, they will clearly see this.

    The fact that a group Called the Shmira can associate themselves with Mishichistim, says a lot about what Mishichistim are.

  20. Trowing the Blame elsewhere Says:

    Trowing the Blame elsewhere.
    mishichistim and liberals (bullies and thugs) always will find away to do just that.

    In example:
    “On the eve of historic fights for health care and clean energy, opponents of reform have mounted a vicious smear campaign against me,” Jones, special adviser for green jobs at the White House Council on Environmental Quality, said in a statement announcing his resignation just after midnight Saturday. “They are using lies and distortions to distract and divide.”


    Bla bla bla, wa wa wa, you got nobody to blame but yourselves.
    It’s time to be a man (a truthful man) and start taking some responsibility. (Yes, i’m still talking to the mishichistim).

  21. Are You A Real Mishichist? Says:

    Do Mishichistim Really Believe what they say they believe or is it just politicts? If they really believe what they say they believe and any self respecting ‘honest’ mishichist should be doing what the mishichist in Ibiza [Spain] is doing. He’s actually doing what he believes. He does what he says should be done.

    In example (watch Video):
    Mishichistim and Trutherism

    Glen Beck starts slow here and remains relatively restrained throughout, but his question near the end is a good one. If you believe Bush was responsible for mass murder of American civilians, why didn’t you flee the country or organize an armed revolt? How casual do you have to be about high treason to prioritize lefty crap like “green jobs” or lowering carbon emissions above seeking justice against the government for killing your countrymen? The answer, I suspect: Most Truthers may not really believe it. It’s a pseudo-intellectual pose, just like Jones’s fondness for communism is. At best, then, he’s a poseur idiot who didn’t have the good sense not to sign his name to a petition at 9/11 Truth. At worst, he’s an even bigger idiot who actually believes the “Loose Change” version of history. Either way, time to go.

  22. moe Says:

    Did you see his other youtube how he how davens in his underwear? I am Not kidding!!!

  23. Machne Menachem Says:

    I received the following e-mail just yesterday (9-21-09), what we have here is another mishichist trying to justify wrong/craziness etc…
    Typical mishichist, takes a good story and somehow manages to connect or excuse his craziness and wrong doing with a wonderful story (indeed). This connection he tries to make is what I call “doing a bais moshiach”.
    My commentary ripping his logic to shreds coming up.

    I don’t know if you remember my previous words of Chizzuk (about the Maggis and his Talmidim – If you forgot, I can resend it), here is some more:

    Let me share with all of you an experience which happened with me lately:

    I was in 770 learning a Sicha with an Israeli Bochur who came in for Tishrei. While we were in middle of learning, an American Bochur (whom I never met previously) sat down behind us. After a few short moments, the American Bochur interrupted our learning, pointed at the Israeli Bochur’s Yarmulka, and started laughing. I gave the Bochur a look which said “what’s your problem?!” and we continued our learning.

    A few minutes later, he interrupted again, and asked (with a broken Hebrew) “haim ata min hamishugoim – are you from the crazies?!”

    Without skipping a beat, we both answered simultaneously “yes”. The Bochur laughed, and we continued with our learning as if nothing has taken place.

    Later on, I reminded myself of an anecdote I heard at a Farbreingen:

    Yossel was known as the town Mishugg’ne. He walked with his head down, and kept pretty much to himself. He smelled pretty bad, and was very, very simple – without much brains, thus he earned himself that title.

    One day, Yossel was walking along the road, and as he was walking, a Goyishe Nobleman was riding by on his horse. As he passed near Yossel, the nobleman mistaking dropped a purse full with money. Picking up the purse, Yossel ran after the horse screaming “hey, you dropped your purse!” at first, the nobleman brushed “this Jew” off, but Yossel didn’t give up, and kept on chasing him. Finally, the nobleman stopped to find out what “this Jew” wanted, and Yossel told him about his purse. Without even giving a thank you, the Goy grabbed his purse, and rode off.

    All the townspeople started laughing at Yossel, saying “wow, you must really be a Mishugg’ne, you had a fortune in your hand… you could’ve done so many good things with that money, and instead you gave it to that Goy who is going to do who-knows-what with!”

    Yossel then picked up both of his hands and cried out: “Ribono Shel Olam, oh, how I thank you for making me a Mishugg’ne, for if I would have a “normal” person; I would’ve been a thief!”

    After recalling this story, I picked up my two hands and said “Ribono Shel Olam, oh, how I thank you for making me “min hamishugoim”, for if I would have from the “normal” people; where would I stand today?!”

    Remember the line of the century: we do what’s right; not what looks right.

    -Dovber Bryski

    May we all do that one last deed to bring Moshiach now!
    Yechi HaMelech Hamoshiach!

  24. antimesira Says:

    i just wonder how how in the world did it get so far. to find the answer we must go back to the begining. one sin leads to another. the line was crossed 15 years ago.

  25. antimishichist Says:

    should we be surprised and shocked, im not. have you noticed what has been taking place in 770 the last 15 years? this has been a build up, this is the result of 15 of doing whatever, whenever. notice by the way that the same people that always justified and excused the mishichistim also happen to be the same people that justify and excuse mesira, just stating a sad and true fact. im not shocked. even in the coming comments we will see justifying and excusing. the best one will be “they are just a small group of crazies, not everyone is like them ” etc…

  26. Mendy Says:

    They’re Elokistim, not Mishichistim!!!
    The two never had any connection!!!
    It’s like the snags posting this story saying: “look where Lubavitch has lead them”. Obviously that’s a distortion, and so is any connection to Mishichistim!

  27. a small group of individuals... Says:

    “a small group of individuals…” where in the letter does he say that these people are Meshichistim, i would appreciate if stop associating these people to Meshichistim, its totaly different, it’s like saying Meshichistim and Tzfatim are the same, (or in your part that Anti’s and detroiters…)
    so if you can please take the “Meshichistim” word out, it also makes others look bad and just adds into the politics, and we dont need that now…
    Thank you

  28. JG Says:

    These ppl are not in the position to take the Rebbe’s word and translate it in a way that it will negate Halacha. Unfortuntly the Rebbe is not here currently for us to ask the Rebbe to explain what was meant with those quotes – but it was definitly not to go against Halacha!! The Rebbe has always taught us the importance of listineing to every aspect of Halacha. Shame on these ppl who use the Rebbes teachings and come to their own misguided conclusions.

  29. Concerned Says:

    It’s important to let everyone know since this Ossur and these people should not be allowed into 770 or any other shul, we shouldn’t marry into people who believe in these belifes.

    This is how Christanity began it began with frum Jews don’t be mistaken, this is a digrace to us all and it underminds all of Lubavitch and the Rebbe

  30. Shimon,Morristown Says:

    Everyone must know about this!

    If we don’t attack things like the article mentions they“ll happen all the time.
    We made the mistake on the day of the histalkus Gimmel Tammuz.We were preoccupied with the grief.Had we made a stand than, we would not have to suffer Bais Rabbeinu in the hands of a cult.

  31. Their sites Says:

    ther sites wrote:

    these things should be posted on our websites, to weed out the extreme opinions as opposed to the acceptable opinions. The problem arises that this will undoubtedly hit the other non-Chabad sites, causing a tremendous chilul Lubavitch

  32. We need such postings when the need aris Says:

    thank you for posting. The reason to post such things is so that we know not to ever deal with such people who try to shun the Rebbe. However – without names how r we to know who not to deal with? I believe we also don’t do shidduchim with these families…. when it really hurts them their children may beg them to WAKE UP & SMELL THE COFFEE!!!!

  33. turn the world over Says:

    Like like the way the mishichistim are trying to say its not them. Classic mishichist, never take responsibly for anything.

    And yes, now the snags could say look at Lubavitch, because WE Lubavitch did not stop this years ago, now this is the results of our silence and that why this is a big Chillul Lubavitch. The Rebbe Zt”L did not deserve this.

    Thanks you Ch.info for posting the truth yet again. The truth hurts but to bad, it has to be heard.

    Besides silence is no longer an option, it is only because of our silence that we have to deal with this now. The Halacha is…Shtika Kihida, silence is admission. I don’t admit to this and I want to make it loud and clear.

  34. Just Saying... Says:

    We talk a lot about Ahavas Yisroel & Achdus, and cry at our tragedies. Yet, we post this and continue with our comments… How about practicing and not just preaching and crying?

    • self righteousness kills Says:

      Right, don’t blame the people causing the Chillul Hashem and the tragedies that G-d forbid follow. Lets blame the people who expose them. Yes!!! Yes!!! that makes a lot of sense.

      Take your head out of the sand!
      It’s one thing you don’t have the guts to do or say something when things are not right it’s another to get in the way of those that are ready to voice their objections and point out the terrible truth. Like someone already wrote above, silence in not an option. The only people who get to enjoy the silence of self righteous individuals are the trouble makers.
      Let’s “practice” the right thing and take action.

  35. Silient majority Says:

    Its about time that the silent majority of Lubavitch stend up and oust every last trace of meshichsm from within out midst.

    In a political move, many in Crown Heights decided to embrace the meshugoyim 15 years ago — that was a terrible mistake. There has never been anything more damaging to the work of the Rebbe – the work of bringin moshiach, than the Meshichst movement.

    Just because the meshchistim have the violent few, who terrorize the rest, it does not mean that the Rebbe has to be dragged into the dirt.

    The meshichistim make oso haish, satmar, Barry etc etc all a walk in the park

  36. Ima 5766 Says:

    I was absolutely disgusted by the deranged women in 770.Ignoring them is not right. IN a way it is good that they became undressed, as people can now see them in a true light, they have undressed themselves from G-dliness. What a travesty of chassidus and of our beloved Rebbe’s teachings! I advocate removing their children from yeshiva, and marginalize them in the most exteme manner. The fact that we are silent, means we tolerate this in our midst. If G-d forbid a Jew for J came, we would not tolerate their foreign ideology, and we would not accept their children in our schools. How are they any different? I understand the children are innocent, but this is the only way I think they will realize their horrendous Chillul HaShem. I believe the tragedies are a result of our indifference to the disgusting and aborrhent behavior of these individuals. Tell the Rabbonim to wake up and do something now!

    • ahavas yisrael Says:

      to Ima5766:
      Where is your ahavas yisroel?….what kind of middos do you have to say such a terrible things,what has to do with their children?,their children are also jews,those poor women are mentally ill and it is not nice what you are saying,it is actually cruel,wake up and smell the coffee yourself they are also jews!!!!

  37. A Crazy Anti I am Says:

    I’m starting to think that it’s we “Antis”/Chabadniks that are crazy.

    After all There is no such thing as a mishichist. It’s all in our imagination. We “antis” are going nuts. Let me explain.

    Every time a “mishichist” does something crazy, his fellow mishichstim say “hes crazy”,“they are not ‘real’ mishichistim” etc…

    They go ahead and just give that “crazy group” a new name (just like they called themselves mishichistim), like Tzvatim and Elokistim. In other words, they never take responsibility and always just disown the now “new crazy group”.

    About a month ago, there was a great tragedy taking place at 320 Jay street, down down Brooklyn. A big Mesira/blood libel against 6 Lubavitcher Jews by 7 Mishichist mossrim.

    The so called “victims”/witnesses/mossrim were Tzvatim Mishichistim. We also had “other” mishichistim saying
    “they are not mishichist, they are Tzvatim, its not the same like mishichistim”.

    And what do we have here (in this very post), we have people saying that this “new” group are worse then the Tzvatim, because the Tzvatim keep Halacha etc… and the Tzvatim are not AS crazy, is that suppose to be a complement?

    Like I said, no such thing as a mishichist, we antis are the crazy ones. We need help!!!

  38. yiddishemishpacha Says:

    This is the ultimate in mishigaz. It is shocking and yet why not … if there is a sizable group that believe that the Rebbe never died at all, that he is alive, among us, but we just can’t see it. C’mon people. The sad thing is that Lubavitch Chabad has a rich mesora and not until the death of the Rebbe ztl have these kind of mishiginas come out and spoken this kind of nonsense. And the people that believe this you can’t even suggest that they may be mistaken. They will just say that you have a golus mentality and you can’t understand what is the emes. It makes me sad because look at what these people are doing to the memory of the Lubavitcher Rebbe ztl and what they are doing in creating division between Chabad and other Yidden. Oh, If only psychotropic mediacation could solve this. Baruch Hashem there are people who do refer to the Lubavitcher Rebbe with a “ZTL”

  39. frummonsey Says:

    First of all, as long as the words proclaiming that the Rebbi z”l IS THE MOSHIACH adorns the roof of WORLD LUBABICH HEADQUARTERS at 770, the actions of this group CANNOT be called outside mainstream CHaBaD belief. A tusted Rav told me that there are Bachurim there who dance up to the Rebbi z”l’s and daven facing hie makom kevooah before Mincha. (confirmed by a Lubabitsher I work with.}
    I truely believe that there are only two kinds of Lubabithers; those who openly proclaim thier belief that he was the Mashiaich, and those who keep it to themselves.
    Why are we trusting these people with kashrus?

  40. GEVALD!!!!! Says:


    • A Shomrim Six Says:


      I was there at 320 Jay street for six whole weeks and witnessed these “crazy Tzfatim” testify against six Jews like Nazi’s, all the while wearing Yechi kippas and yellow pins.

      These same mishichist mossrim still are allowed in 770 and the official Misichist site Chabad.info parades them like a bunch of heroes.
      Don’t believe…Check out…here you will see the mossrim “Tzvatim” branch of the mishichist party, taking a trip just a few short days after spilling Jewish Blood. They didn’t just do this Mesira on their own. there is a much bigger picture here.



      All I see from the mishichist party is justifying and excuses time after time. Never ever to take any responsibility.Its never the mishichistim. In fact I’m really starting to think if there are mishichistim or maybe its a figure of my imagination.

  41. how many mishichistim r there? Says:

    how many mishichistim r there?

    “Third Branch of ‘Moshiach Worshippers’”

    Whats the first and second?

    Each group disowns the other, are there really mishichistim?

  42. point to ponder Says:

    there is a huge giant difference between mishegistim and mishechistim!
    It all goes after the behaviour. The Rebbe once said Lubavitch is not terrorists. this means if you behave as a terrorist, you are a terrorist.
    even if you are dressed with all the shemonah begodim, a person is judged by his action. n’eNOW!

  43. wake up!!!!!!! Says:

    thanks for publising this!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    there are many ppl in CH and in 770 like this groop!!
    in fact, this groop is the elite“ because they reached the highest level of hiskasrus and represent the ”real meshichist movement“
    they are the envy of the other meshichistm who are still in golus,a nd they crave to become ”so mechistm” like them

    PPL, wake upppppppp!
    this is disgace for the Rebbe, it is a chillul Hashem, a chillul Lubavitch, they are turning all ppl off, thy are distroying all the Rebbe’s work

  44. JGREEn Says:

    It has been said above – but its important to say again – these ppl are not meshichistim – they are deranged….there are plenty of ppl who consider themselves “meshichistim” but are horrified by the actions of these few, sick individulas.
    and i mean sick in a literal sence. I feel bad for these ppl – they truly believe and think that they are oing the Rebbes will. while in truth reality is they are breaking hallacha !!!

  45. MMD Says:


  46. whos crazy now? Says:


    and so i was there when they Physically hurt many other innocent people. They do what good for them, whatever they want, what ever makes them look good they keep. Since when do they make the rules of who goes and who stays. Here lies the true problem.
    These people made them look bad, so they pretended to throw them out.

    Tachles, Today 24 Tavet (January 10, 2010), these other crazies are still in 770. Just like the crazy Tzvatim.

    It’s funny to watch one crazy calling another crazy.

  47. What Branch are you from? Says:

    How many groups or types of mishichiastim are there?

    Well, it depends how many mishichistim there are.

    For the slow:
    If there are a 100 mishichistim, then there are a 100 groups of mishichist etc… each mishichist is his own group.
    You see the reason this person was thrown to mishichist is because he does not like authority, except of course his own (dictating)authority. That why one mishichist can’t really get along with the other. of course they unit for the cause of destroying the so called “Anti”, but take the “anti” out of the picture and they kill each other (as evident from some of the comments protecting/justifying and excusing the mishichistim). Look how fast they are to call others “crazy”.
    Once the line is crossed, theres no going back.

    How do you (as a mishichist self proclaimed Mashpiha) Frabrang and brain wash your flock time after time that there is no authority and everyone can and should do as he/she wants or feels etc… and then come to these same flock latter on, when only according to your own understanding “they took it to far”, expect them to listen to you. You just spend years brain washing them to do what they want and feel and disregard all authority. And remember you thought them that anybody who disagrees with you is a APIKORES (Anti) who doesn’t believe in Moshiach and all the propaganda. You eat what you reap.

  48. Shwei Says:

    Rabbi Shwei condemmed but didnt act. He used words, not action

    Rabbi Telzsner is an Emese Rov

  49. Rabbi Schwei??? Says:


    Are you by any chance referring to Rabbi Schwei, the same Rav who just stood by while a vicious mesira/blood libel was taking place against six members of our community, all in his name and didn’t do or even say anything.

    The mossrim said in his name, in public (on line and letters sent to all homes), that he gave permission and as a Rov of the community he did not come out against this claim?

    If he didn’t give premisson then wht didn’t he come out agianst and if he did give premission then…


    He did what looked good for him then and did what he thinks looks good for him now. He didn’t care about right wrong then and doesn’t care now either.

    • crazy people Says:

      to Rabbi Schwei ????

      you are so right. He is good at waving HIS private flag & supporting his talmidim & their meshugass, but when it comes to justice & doing what;s right he’s a moral coward.

      So why would anyone expect him to do the right thing any time?

  50. fair and balanced Says:

    hey everyone, all this just asks for alot of rachmonus, on them and on us…. if you need help to find in yourself some rachmonus, have another read of Ch. 32 in Tanya… and then a few more reads won’t hurt either…

  51. STOP THEM ASAP Says:

    It is a sad day today but not only today.
    Every time you walk in to 770 is a very sad day let’s talk about today .
    There was hachnosas sefer Torah by the Teichtel family.
    Of course there was a few mashchissim in 770 and in meter of minutes
    You see the crazy flags and the crazy yechi song . WHY ??? where is the respect for the other
    This is not your simcha but if you are a maschchist you own the world you can do as you want ?
    Raboisai ALL maschchissim are the same wicked low lives. I despise them ALL of them
    You know why? because they want to take away from us everything .
    They will take away our shuls our neighborhood our kids our religion .
    Raboisai there is no good meschchissim not today .
    Yes there used to be Chasidim who I could say with them YECHI but no more all are terrorist
    They all hold with the terror of the maschchissim . and I saw how they all were waiting for the
    Success of the Nazi guys who went to 320 Jay Street to testify against Jews.
    And their official website jihad info gave the full support .
    I do not accept the story that every time come up again. Who this he is crazy and that he is crazy
    No guys they are all crazy .
    WE have to stop them ASAP

  52. Acrimony Appreciator Says:

    Allow me to say that I am UTTERLY DELIGHTED! “Why?” I hear you ask….well except for the words of a very few, I read lots and lots of agressively worded, hate filled emails directed against those who have been put into Cherem. What is even more fascinating to read are the words of those who feel that the children and families of these renegades SHOULD be discriminated against.
    Firstly, I can only presume that the authors of these comments have themselves perfected their middos. They are naturally always the first to greet others, they run to do mitzvos, they never engage in loshon hora, they go out of their way to give lifts to the elderly, distance themselves from rumours and idle gossip, give up their seats for the weary….oh the list of their kind deeds must be endless and it is this that gives me such cheer. I cannot imagine how early they have risen to get through all of their duties, learning, helping their wives and husbands at home, spending extra time with their children and yet still manage to find the time to pen their vitriolic judgments.
    As for those who recommend that the families and children of the Melbourne men in question, be shunned, persecuted, excluded from the sidduch pool and be treated as tools of leverage through which we can blackmail their fathers/husbands/sons into submission, well why not? What the world needs now is more sinus chinom, more prejudice and to punish the innocent who themselves have already suffered for years. Oh hang on….I just had a thought. How will I justify my glee over all this self righteous nastiness being bandied about on the net when The Rebbe stressed the importance of ahavas Yisroel? Oh oh! I will have to give this matter more thought if I am to join the ranks of the Acrimony Appreciators.

    • antimesira Says:

      each thing/problem has its place. This is something that has to be dealt with just like any other matter.

      i really don’t get your logic.
      Are you saying ignore this b/c theres plenty of more to do?

  53. MaddinBklyn Says:

    Why are all you messianist getting all worried? your finally being exposed for the frauds you are, notice the flags and pins this is messianism in it’s ugliest form , there is no way around, the messianist group has already destroyed thousands of jewish lives, suck it up phonies your end is near.

  54. gods right hand man Says:

    did anyone broach the topic truthfully
    the fast three months after yom kippur is for??
    the acceptance of moshiach is contingent on a persons actively performing torah and mitzvos
    they ate their olam habah for the world to see and their table seen by the true judge is flawed by their timing
    look for a shulchan aruch before eating is the best advice
    my garden doesnt have borders

  55. learn the sichos!don-t dabble Says:

    why is it that 99% of the people against yechi don’t even talk about moshiach at all ?every sincere anti i ask :when was the last time u learned about moshiach ?(THE FASTEST WAY TO BRING HIM IS TO LEARN ABOUT IT SHABBOS TAZRIA 1991 SICHO) says i haven’t -get straught what the Rebbe said and what are your feelings.that would answer your questions about yechi -if you don’t learn you don’t know.i never saw an honest anti who learned through 1991-1992 and speak against yechi(besides…which he says the chozrim wrote the sichos and not the Rebbe)in Melborne These people have made a terrible mistake b/c no one is explaining them these delicate words about what the Rebbe talked about.I agree to Rabbi Telsner ,i also believe they(most )are sincere in doing what the Rebbe wrote.no one answers them and explains their mistake.i believe in Yechi although its not popular and I wouldn’t always like to have to defend it ,but it’s what the Rebbe said !

    • antimesira Says:

      Yep Yep here we go…
      Propaganda 101.

      The “facts’ you state, where did you hear them from, was it “everybody” who “knows everything” or was it from “somebody”?

      How many “Antis” have you meet?

  56. Hisbonenus Says:

    On this issue, Here is a comment on the YWN website:

    “and can only serve to destroy the good name of Chabad in the general community.”

    um, what good name?

    “there is little central authority or guidance”

    This is a huge issue that represents a major departure from traditional Jewish practice. There are literally hundreds of Chabad “rabbis” out there making their own decisions without the guidance of an objective talmid chacham. Daily decisions involved in leading a kehilla can often be difficult and only become more difficult when compounded by one’s own negi’ot (reputation, “customer” satisfaction, money, power, etc.) I’ve personally witnessed rather alarming concessions made in halacha and in the spirit of Orthodox Judaism in the name of keeping everyone happy so they’ll come(read: drive) to shul. I’ve even heard one Chabad “rabbi” say (in response to
    a protest over an inappropriate practice being sanctioned in his shul) that (Rabbi) Avi Weiss said it was okay so there was what to rely on!! I’ve been witnessing the slippery slope ever since that encounter.

    “our shababnikim”

    Every year, I watch a new crop of “shlichot” (seminary-age girls sent out to do their year of service in various communities) come and am beginning to understand that the mode of dress I was initially so shocked about is quite the norm rather than the exception among Lubavitch girls. The skirts well over the knee, the provocative shoes, revealing necklines, skin-tight fit, etc. I’ve actually had more than one not-yet-frum woman ask me, if they’re religious, why do they dress that way? It has always amazed me to see how many so-called rabbis allow their wives to dress. IS that, too, all in the name of attracting people to yiddishkeit? Is the idea to appear hip and with it so as to demonstrate the religious Judaism is not as confining or restrictive as some may think?

    “We in Chabad sometimes have a little bit too much ahavas Yisroel”

    by Yisroel, I believe you mean unaffiliated Jews or Chabad supporters. Religious Jews from other “sects” – say, for example, a typical yeshivish, non-chassidic Jew – don’t seem to be treated with much “ahavah.” The religious Jew who moves anywhere near a Chabad house and tries to befriend neighboring Jews? He’d better beware because the not-so-loving Chabadnik is likely to rear his head.

    Forgive me for some of my bitterness. I spent many years in blissful naivete before my eyes were so rudely opened to a very sad reality. I am sad for the good people that are being misguided by a philosophy that is lacking in several ways and is taking them farther from the true Torah values and ideals.

    It’s a challenge to imagine a world of peace but, nevertheless, I await moshiach tzidkeinu every day…

    Comment by mikarevet — January 10, 2010 @ 3:20 pm

  57. ahavas yisroel Says:

    Most of Chabadniks today are baaley teshuvah.
    To become baaley teshuvah required the ability to stand up for the truth as we see it against the prevailing ideologies.
    When such a person becomes a Chabadnik he can’t simply break his character and easily learn to accept the rulings of the local rabbi when it seems to him to go against the Rebbe’s own words.
    The only thing that can be achieved by mocking , hating and excommunicating these people is further fragmentation of Chabad , creation of many smaller competing mosdos etc.
    It would in the long term be better for all of us if our rabbis and shluchim would try to be more like Hilel , humbly study the relevant sichos with these people and try to explain the real meaning to them .
    Even when the split is unavoidable the people should remember that we are still dealing with our fellow Jews who would probably jump in fire if needed to save those very people placing them in cherem.
    The rabbis should remember that one should push a person away with one hand and draw back with the other and not push away with both hands (as explained in Pirkey Avos) May as we know when that was done it lead to a birth of a new hostile religion that has been persecuting us 2000 years.
    May we merit to dance in the Beis Hamikdash haShlishi in a complete redemption with the Rebbe teikaf u’miyad mamash.

    • realistic Says:

      Hay what do you know. We just practiced what you preced for the last 15 year, where has that gotten us?

      How can I forget, its our fault they are like this

  58. Ghaim Yedudah Says:

    The Rebbe zy”a left us with a huge legacy, to bring as many people as possible to a life of Torah and Mitzvos; thereby will hasten the Redemption.
    To promote any individual even the greatest Tzadik, who is no longer alive as Moshiach is outside the realm of normative Yiddishkeit
    We cannot allow our loss and pain to lead us down the incorrect path

    • too much credit Says:

      oh please, your giving these people to much credit. 3 Tammuz was the best thing that ever happened for them.

  59. Paul Freedman Says:

    Crunch: from a secular standpoint the sad thing is that this reduplicates more or less Sabbateanism–not that the Rebbe G-d forbid violated halacha but that moshiach enthusiasm leads to selective violation of fasts within an outwardly mitzva observant culture and religious style. This is not what Christianity set out to do–Sabbateanism is not Xtianity but something else.

  60. chassidishe woman Says:

    Why is Kanevsky allowed to do these things in 770. Why is she allowed in? It is NOT a public place, it officially & legally belongs to AGUCH, & they allow everyone to use it. In this case though she should be stopped from entering & removed if she gets in. She can show her insanity in plenty of other places…if they’ll let her. Or let her use her own place.



  62. Mishichist Party Says:

    There is no such thing as a moderate mishichist. Mishichizim is a political party. The politics comes first and then the phony “believe” about the Rebbe being Moshiach etc..
    Find me one mishichiast (even a brand new BT or youngster) who doesn’t know the politics/propaganda behind the mishichist movement/cult. They burly know how to pronounce Yechi but they hate Krinsky…Shemtov etc…etc… If you call yourself a mishichist something is wrong with you. The first question I have to you (if and only if you might be half normal looking), is what is your motive (with whom are you fighting)?

    This issue is not about the believe in moshiach lets not pretend it is. It’s politics first and “moshiach” second (as a back up).

  63. OY REBBE Says:

    ahavas yisroel wrote:
    “ who would probably jump in fire if needed to save those very people placing them in cherem.”

    guy stop with the propoganda we all know who you are. you want to take the name of our rebbe and use it to desroy the world but guss what THE REBBE IS STRONGER THAN YOU all.
    just like YOU maschchissim and that include all of you names that was mantion here be it majesky or schwai or anyone Preeching this hate i saw it with my own eyes not one not 2 not 3 not 4 not 5 not 6 . SEVEN terorist with yechi yarmulkas and stupid flag pins try to hurt 6 Jews in supreme court at 320 jay street . that was not one week not 2 not 3 not 4 not 5 . six weeks thy came from all over the wourld from india and from bulivia and from israel . with the command to hurt jews .

    well the rebbe is stronger than all mesianic teror and the jews will pravail . the mesianics wil go away to other non jewish religion or create new sect. and the rebbe will watch over our kehila. and just like the supreme court gave them the largest murning period to thier live.
    GOD will help lubavitch to get rid of them .
    just like was at purim kaasher hachilota linpol lefonov.
    destroy the maschchissim they are all the same haters.
    i only see hate in thier eyes .
    remember jews are baishonim rachmonim and gomley chasodim .
    none of this qualities you find by them.

  64. Sara-s classmate y Says:

    The guy with the ACRIMONY club is the only one worth reading.
    Unfortunately, there are disturbed people in every community, inlcuding Anash.
    Before anyone goes putting Sara Kanevsky and her innocent children in Cherem – put the wealthy mosrim in cherem. People are afraid to stand up to the mighty dollar. In essence, one member of Anash being moser on another – or an entire organization, G’mach, etc., is A LOT WORSE than one disturbed individual that the majority of people don’t take seriously anyway. Sara is misguided in her understanding and beliefs, the mosrim’s actions are intentional. Anyone hurt by Sara’s actions, didn’t do enough learning about the actual coming of Moshiach and, therefore, they are to blame. However, many people were intentionally hurt – beyond their control – by the actions of the mosrim.
    Get real and stop worshipping wealth.

  65. Sarah Says:

    Anyone who had the zechua to see the Rebbi with their own eyes knows the true greatness of the Rebbi and doesn’t need to desecrate his holy memory by making him into some phony Moshiach or God.

    Let us please remember our true Rebbi for what he really was and not turn Chabad into a circus.

  66. Real Chosid Says:

    Whoever wants to worship a hero like the BT’s did before accepting Yiddishkeit can make a fool of Elvis Presley or Michael Jackson etc. Authentic Judaism doesn’t cater for this cult like behaviour. Either act like frum jews or go back where you came from.

    Yellow flags belong to the sports fans or the Hollywood worshippers.

  67. I hear you Says:

    The story makes allot of sense, except why say “is an example of Mishechism gone seriously awry” please do not put this in the same catagory as Mishchistim. This does not represent what a mishechist really is. When there is a meshugana who is an anti does something out of order does anybody say “is an example of ANTI’S gone seriously awry”???

    Please refrain from putting mishechistim in the same boat as a first class meshugana. In Lubavitch there aer some difference in opinion.. does not mean this site has to mock or warp the whole concept of a mishechist.

    • antimishichist??? Says:

      “ANTI’S gone seriously awry”

      Then that “anti” should be a mishichist.

      The whole idea (as one explained in a comment aboce) of mishichzim is to go awry, don’t to take orders and to listen to others, No authority, fight the authority. If someone does that then he might as well be a mishichist.

  68. Shocked! What-s the connection? Says:

    Hey! why is this such a hot topic with so many comments?
    Is that what Lubavitch is all heated up about?
    If you really want to do what is right, one thing forsure is not to ridicule others. This is total Lashon Harah!

    Anyway, how can a rov put someone like this into Cheirem? How about someone who does not keep Shabbos and some other very important Halachos? What’s the difference? Can someone explain this to me?

    • antimesira Says:

      “And the children struggled together within her… And she went to inquire of the G-d… And the G-d said to her: ‘Two nations are in your womb.’ ” (25:22-23)
      QUESTION: Rashi explains: When Rivkah passed a house of Torah learning, Yaakov struggled to emerge. When she passed a place of idol worship, Eisav struggled to come out. This perplexed her, and she went to inquire about it. A message was conveyed to her through Shem that she was carrying two children.
      Why did this information calm her?

      The Rebbe answers (Likutei Sichos Vol. 1, p183ff.)
      The prophet Eliyahu held a debate with the false prophets of Ba’al during which he challenged them: “How long will you waver between two opinions”. If Hashem is the G-d, follow Him! And if it is the Ba’al, follow him” (1 Kings, 18:21). One may wonder how Eliyahu was able to utter such an option.
      The Rebbe explains the difference between outright idolatry and idolatry which is fence-sitting. Outright idolatry means a person really believes he benefits from his idol. A fence-sitter is in doubt – either he’s unsure as to what to believe in, or he believes in Hashem plus something else.

      The Rebbe continues and says, that wavering between two opinions is in many ways WORSE than outright idolatry. GENERALLY, outright idolatry is worse of course. But in terms of TESHUVA, the fence-sitter is worse because it’s harder for him to do Teshuva fully.


      1) Because someone who once believed in idolatry, who realizes he was wrong, can fully do Teshuva. The one who wavers and believes in Hashem plus something else or doubts, doesn’t do a full Teshuva because he claims he always believed in G-d.
      I.e. He is uncertain whether he sinned in the first place.

      2) The one who fully believes in idolatry can be a spiritual individual, just a misguided spiritual individual.

      But the one who wavers shows that not only is he not interested in the true G-d, but he is spiritually insensitive. Although he knows Hashem is G-d, he is still willing to give idols some credit, thinking he’ll benefit in some way. Even when he realizes the truth, he does Teshuva only because of personal gain.
      I.e. He is willing to compromise some of his religious beliefs for the sake of convenience or social pressure (his spirituality is corrupted by materialism).

      3) The one who wavers leads others astray because it is not clear that he is a heretic (for he knows how to quote a Pussuk in Chumish, a word from a Mammer or Sicho etc.. he speaks the language). The idol-worshiper, however, is an outright heretic and is thus an outcast that does not effect the Community. I.e. nobody gets confused by him.

      At the outset, Rivkah thought she was carrying one child who was confused, unable to distinguish between right and wrong, and thus, G-d forbid, capable of running in a different direction each day. Informed that she would give birth to two children, she was relieved, because she could now hope to convince the other child to emulate his righteous brother.



  70. to mr shoked Says:

    If someone Openly desecrates teh shabbas (C”V) and then gets others to do the same, then of course he should will be put into chairem

    this person is not only a Chteh – sinner, he is also a MACHTEH – making other people sin

    I hope that clarified that for you

  71. Yechi HaMelech Says:

    All the various blog sites and posts that are condemning these courageous, true, and real Chabad Chassidim of the Rebbe Melech HaMashiach Shlita are just plain wrong. These true Chassidim are not embarrassed to follow the Rebbe Melech HaMashiach Shlita’s directives as the Rebbe teaches them to us till this very day. The rest of the Jewish world, especially those who claim to be Chabad Chassidim, should be embarrassed that they are not strong enough to stand up and do what is right as these brave Chassidim in Melbourne have done.

    Even the Goyim, L’Havdil, do not shy away from their beliefs even if the rest of the world may deem it crazy – e.g. Muslims demanding the removal of the image of Muhammad from museums; Christians eating wafers and drinking wine… etc.

    All Jews and particularly Chassidim of the the Rebbe Melech HaMashiach Shlita should shout to the world Moshiach is here literally!!!

    Yechi Adoneinu Moreinu v’Rabbeinu Melech haMoshiach l’olam vo’ed!!!

  72. A.Cohen Says:

    This is a good first step. I wuld appreciate the Rabbonim going a step further and not allow any of the Messhichisti flags and singing of thir song at 770-it’s a real turn-off for me. I no longer like going to daven at 770 for that reson when I come to town. I’ll go n only to daven a bit since it was the shul of the Rebbe

  73. Mushky Says:

    so embarrassed… i saw it at non-chabad sites :(

    This is what ppl think Chabad is; and it’s a disgrace to the Rebbe and his Chassidim.

  74. Ad Moisa! Says:

    Yechi HaMelech wrote:Another for the Mental Asylum. Do you not understand that 99.9% of Jews NEVER did nor do believe your nonsense. Muslim and Christians (who you want to copy) have not changed their religion as you are trying to do. This has nothing to do with Moshiach, nor torah only to campaign for your team in the stupid Moshiach stakes!
    When Hashem will have mercy on us and the Moshiachist Meshugoim he will send us HIS Moshiach.

  75. Pinchos Woolstone Says:

    The root of messianic madness is the belief in infallibility;
    which is an anathema to Torah Judaism.
    The Rebbe ( may his merit protect us)never supported the development of a cult of personality centered upon him.
    The Rebbe has left us with an enormous legacy, each Chosid according to his/her capacity and leanings.
    Lets keep spreading the Light.
    The Histalkus occurred, which is the way of all flesh; to deny it undermines the Rebbe’s life of enormous achievements and is a mockery of Lubavitch.

  76. Confused????!!!!!????? Says:

    Anyone else notice their hypocrisy?
    first they have a seuda on a fast day because “moshiach has already arrived” then they make “Kiddush” (like the boy in the story who wants the apple so he makes a bracha and his father has no choice but to give him the apple because otherwise it will be a bracha levalata) Kiddush on Geulah so it shouldn’t be a bracha levatala and to force I suppose the father/Hashem to send the geulah/apple
    why ask for the apple/geulah if you already are celebrating having moshiach by not fasting?

  77. Shirley Says:

    The problem is that all are scared from these Moshiachist terrorists. They have proven that anyone in their way gets knocked down. Rabbi Telsner was the first Shaliach who had the gutts to stand up to them.

  78. Sarale Says:

    I am appalled at the way people are writing on this site. Where is ahavas yisroel? where is achdus? where is compassion? there are people in Chabad who are confused. The world is very dark now. We do not physically see the Rebbe and that is extremely hard for all chabadnikim. Some people have gone to an extreme out of distress, confusion and desperation. I dont think we have to judge them. We do have to stand up for what is right and for kiddush Hashem and kiddush shem Lubavitch…..but to put people into cherem is not necessarily the solution here. Is that what the Rebbe woudl advocate? I dont think so honestly.
    I think we all have to do some soul searching and really try to unite even with all the meshichistim, because even though they carry their “beliefs’ to an extreme, nevertheless they are trying to bring about the revelation of Moshiach, albeit in a misguided, wrong manner….but we all have to be understanding and certainly not to shun believing in Moshiach or that the Rebbe is Moshiach. That is not called ”crazy”. What is crazy is only the way these beliefs are being implemented.

    • Heart warming Says:

      Oh, go hug a tree or something.
      Let’s smoke some weed, it’s all good.

      Let’s blame everybody else for our troubles.

      Here we have another classical example of mishichstim not taking responsibility and instead throwing the blame on all those that expose them.

  79. Texas man Says:

    How can a holy concept like waioting for Moshiach that the Rebbe pushed be hijacked and used as a political football by these Messianic jews??

  80. What is wrong with these photos part 2 Says:

    What is wrong with these photos???????

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  82. Anonymous Says:

    I can simply say that the simple truth is to work on middos, walk in the way of Halachah, and Know there is only one L-rd G-d that has no image, nor any image before him. More often than not, people who obsess with another individual do so to distract themselves from their own self they are too ashamed or weak to face. You are the key to HaShem Elokchah, no body else. You are the key to your redemption, no body else. Sure, we can learn from, model our behavior, but at the end of the day, it is you and you alone which will answer to your own self. That is where the oneness begins and ends. And any individual that comes in between, will only lead to chaos, corruption, arguments, and a breakage in the oneness of HaShem. That is the great work, Avodah Gedolah, and its not easy. But you will find, that mishichists always have something in their nature that is highly resistant to commentary, and obsessive. They have lost their own responsibility to and in their own lives. They have sacrificed a sense of control over their fallen natures. G-d should be your ruler, and nothing in between. G-d should be revealed to you in your midst, and it will indeed resemble the law of Moshe Rabeinu, the eternal mitsvos and staple of creation. Our own sparks must awaken and be realized. We are all moshe rabeinus, rebbes and tzaddikim.

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