Who silenced WIS?

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Shmira preaches about peace and about how they kept trying to make peace with Shomrim but they kept on refusing, well ill tell you all a short story:

I got an email mid-December from a friend of mine who said that shmira is willing to take then entire messira they orchestrated against Shomrim off completely, but the only condition was that I stop “WhoIsShmira?”, seeing that I had the great opportunity of Pidyon Shvuim I decided that I will compromise and I wont publish anything new until the messira is off completely and once that happened I will completely delete the web-site.

Well the gloves are off, its been a month and two weeks and this past Shabbos one of the Shmira rats went and made a new messira (Inspector Simonetti promised to fax me a copy of it on Monday when he gets in to work) against two Shomrim members claiming that they vandalized the Shmira car. In their frivolous claim Prager claimed that he personally observed two Shomrim members (who he names in the police reports [aka Messira]) and said that they both had cans of spray paint and they sprayed up the Shmira car.

Not only is this report a lie it sounds more like a blood libel, after I personally went and took a picture of the car last night parked and there was no paint on it.

So I made my attempt to help the situation and Shmira went and made a brand new messira while I tried, if this is how we are going to play you wait and see the documents and pictures I have yet to publish. The gloves are off.

Yossi (Chazer Belly) Stern, the next heart attack you get I hope it kills you. Yimach Shimcha you MAMZER.

Yanky (Moslem Rat) Prager, I hope you get locked up for the rest of your life for all those forged COP ID cards you gave all the Shmira members.

And a special brocho for Paul Huebner, I hope the next time you hit your wife she pulls out a kitchen knife and stabs you and kills you in self defense.

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27 Responses to “Who silenced WIS?”

  1. CHER Says:

    Welcome back!
    Did you really think that they would pull throw?
    With out this Machlokis/fight they are nothing, you expect them to give everything they are and everything they represent [mesira] away?
    How much do you ask of evil? Can you negotiate with evil?

    My freinds sadly this way [WIS] is the only way to deal with them [the moserim], you fight chutzpa with Chutzpa!

  2. antimesira Says:

    thought you can negotiate with stern or prager, I see you don’t really know them as much as you thought you did, because my friend…
    “some men aren’t looking for anything logical… They can’t be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.”

    You see, if shomrim did anything to shmira (and right now it doesn’t matter who started) and it was a back and fourth fight (from both sides, becuase once someone hits back he is just as guilty, unless it’s a REAL self defense [life threatening, mesira etc…).
    Then you can say that maybe somebody can try making a “peace” (i.e. you only have the concept of “peace” when there is war). The fact is that shomrim never ever fought (directly or indirectly) with shmira, as far as they, shomrim is concerned shmira does not even exist (meaning they are doing the good that they do regardless, there is not Givol/boundary to doing good, shmira is no threat to them) and they have no quell with shmira. So if shomrim is not at war with shmira and its only shmira fighting (doing mesira etc…etc…) with shomrim then who is there to talk to, who is there to make “peace” with?
    it’s all useless, the only think needing for “peace” is for shmira to just stop doing what they are doing (to shomrim that is “live and let live”).
    stern, prager and all the rest of them just want to see everything burn!

  3. whIsShmirA FAN! Says:

    laib should brake his other foot , that fat ass f**k …. i see his wife all the time shes allways unhappy and looks mad….i don’t blame her…shes gotta put up with that small dick of his.

  4. whoIsShmirA FAN! Says:

    .who is shmira *** FAN

  5. Seriously 75.119.234.1 Says:

    Right…. Shimra was going to admit that they were moiser, not only that they were going to recant everything they said against Shomrim but only….wait for it… if WHOISSHMIRA GOES OFF THE WEB!!

    Their (Shmira) biggest threat is some blog on the web. If only it (whoisshmira) stops writing then maybe Shmira can go on with their lives…

    Who do you think you are?!?!?!?

    Who really cares about what some guy says about Shmira.

    Get over yourself.

    Remember Obama is coming for you.
    Seriously

  6. It's War! Says:

    It only takes one side to make war.

  7. Remove 'Ganovim' From Communal Positions Says:

    New York – What is so shocking about Bernie Madoff is not that he is a gonif, there will always be thieves and crooks and we have all met our fair share of them. That he was able to crook people for so long without them realizing it is what I find most outrageous.

    Since 1999 there were a number of people who looked into Madoff’s operations and came away with serious suspicions of impropriety. In 2005 independent financial fraud investigator Harry Markopolos sent a long memo about Madoff’s fund to the SEC. The title of the memo was: The World’s Largest Hedge Fund is a Fraud. But how was he able to maintain a veneer of respectability and trust when he was under such serious and credible suspicions?

    The most obvious answer is that we as humans are fooled by the allure of money. We equate net-worth with self-worth. In truth the two are completely unrelated. But for many, wealth equals power and importance. If you have never observed this before, next time you are at a fundraising dinner watch the table where the wealthiest people are seated, you will notice a constant stream of people walking over to talk to those sitting at that table. Why it is that they get a disproportionate amount of attention?

    A few years ago I was visited by a man who used to be a very wealthy but had lost all of his money in a Ponzi scheme. He was devastated and depressed. At one point he was donating more than a million dollars a year to causes in Israel and now he was virtually penniless. The thing that hurt him most, however, was the fact that together with the loss of his money he lost all of his friends. The wealthy people he used to associate with were no longer interested in him because he was no longer rich.
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    ‘Who cares where the money is coming from?’

    Whilst in Judaism wealthy people are looked upon as deserving of respect this is because the wealth is seen as a mark of an accomplished person. In other words the wealthy individual should be respected for the success, accomplishment and attainment that brought the wealth rather than for the wealth itself. And, if it is real, personal success and achievement is something that a person cannot lose. Unfortunately the allure of money was blinding to too many people in this case as well.

    However, there is another more ominous reason that people overlooked the suspicions that hung over Madoff. Often suspicions of financial dishonesty are not taken seriously enough. Frequently questions are answered by the words, “but everyone is doing it.”

    In addition, many people are not concerned whether their investments make money in an ethical manner. People are happy to invest in companies that have questionable practices. As long as they are getting a piece of the pie they don’t worry it. For many investing with Madoff meant consistent double digit returns. If he had to steal in order to achieve that they did not want to know about it nor did they care.

    Dishonesty must become taboo

    It now clear to all that we must completely stigmatize any type of unethical financial behavior. White Collar crime must be taken as seriously as any other. A person against whom there are credible suspicions of financial impropriety should be removed from communal positions no matter how wealthy they are or how much they donate each year.

    Dishonest business people must be taboo in our communities. People must know that if they cheat in business there will be real social and communal repercussions. We cannot brush this under the rug any longer.

    Unfortunately there are Jewish communities that have people who have been convicted of financial fraud as their presidents and Israel currently has a prime minister who is under serious suspicion of financial irregularities and the previous Israeli prime minster served under similar suspicions. This must stop. As long as we allow people who perpetrate this type of behavior, or are suspected of it, a veneer of respectability within our communities when something like the Madoff scandal occurs we are all collectively culpable.

    Rabbi Levi Brackman is author of Jewish Wisdom for Business Succes

    Let’s begin with:
    Shmira (stern/prager etc…)
    Yankle and shmual Spritzer
    Nochom Markowitz

    got anybody in mind? please sher.

  8. antimesira Says:

    [one of the many]Seriously[s] Wrote:
    “Who really cares about what some guy says about Shmira?.”

    You do!
    You care so much; this web site bothers you and your [shmira mesira] friends so much, you even bothered to write a comment.

    “Right…. Shimra was going to admit that they were moiser”

    yossi the chazer belly stern brags about it all the time, so whos the lier?

    “Their (Shmira) biggest threat is some blog on the web. If only it (whoisshmira) stops writing then maybe Shmira can go on with their lives…”

    I could not have said it better myself! They can go on with fooling the community, they can go on collecting money for a fake organization and they can go on doing all the crimes they were not afraid to do until WIS started pointing them out.

  9. Seriously 75.119.234.1 Says:

    Obviously I care what you write, but if I were running Shimra it wouldn’t bother me enough or scare me in any way.
    You try to make it sound as if they are shaking in their boots because of your blog. They are bothered by your blog but not enough to change their ways. So yeah they will continue to collect for their organization, and guess what? People will give. Why do you think that is? Because they believe in Shmira.

    Why do you always have the “I know I am but what are you attitude”? This isn’t grade 3!

    Question for you. Why would the Police take a report about a vandalized car without even looking at the car? If the car wasn’t spray painted then the cops would have arrested the person(s) making the claim for false statements to a Police officer.

    You know your not really accomplishing anything, all you do is “kvetch” like a child.

    Go on spin us another one……….

  10. CHER Says:

    …”if I were running Shimra”…

    Why “IF”?

  11. john doe Says:

    To the new seriously chuchum
    I have to at least give you credit for attempting to sound intelligent and using spell check and do to your extraordinary investigative and deduction skills which i’ll compare with the likes of sherlock holmes i have a question for you…… WHAT COLOR WAS GEORGE WASHINGTONS WHITE HORSE….. DUMBASS!!!

  12. shmira full of HotAir Says:

    Israel/shomrim vs Hamas/shmira/stern/prager/skoblo/hubner/spritzer: Beyond right, wrong, smart, and stupid.

    David Schraub gives a thoughtful rebuttal to arguments from the American Left and Right on the Israel-Hamas war in Gaza, trying to push beyond some of the slogans to find better ground. He easily dispenses with the asinine “proportionality” argument and rejects the right vs wrong equation, preferring to ask whether Israel has acted wisely in their actions:

    “The proper frame for looking at Israel’s response isn’t whether, in some cosmic sense, it is “justified” in attacking Gaza this way. The proper frame is asking “is this attack going to accomplish anything?” LGM’s own military expert, Robert Farley, gives four reasons to be skeptical that anything good will come out of Israel’s operation, while nonetheless noting that the operation itself has been quite discriminating and has done a good job minimizing civilian casualties. His arguments — particularly the problems with “sending a message” — make sense to me. We might still understand why the government is behaving “as expected”, and we might affirm that, in terms of moral judgment, we shouldn’t hold Israel morally liable for a super-obligation where other countries are given relatively free passes. But none of that requires us to answer in the affirmative the remaining (and to my mind, far more important question): Is Israel’s response a smart one?

    Unfortunately, for a variety of reasons the contemporary discourse surrounding Israel/Palestine seems stuck on debating “right and wrong”, instead “smart or stupid”. Anti-Israel speakers are unsatisfied with the idea that the state is merely behaving unwisely — they are insistent that it is a qualitatively evil regime that must be treated as such, even when such demands make it concretely less likely for the Palestinian people to receive their just due. Pro-Israel writers, responding to such rhetoric, devote their time to defending the moral appropriateness of any Israeli action, to the exclusion of any long-term considerations about whether it ends up helping or harming Israeli interests (not to mention the interests of a lasting peace and liberation of the Palestinian people from occupation). This is why I’m such a fan of J Street: They call for Israel to ceasefire, not because Kadima is now the Middle East’s version of the Nazi Party — but because, based on their considered judgment, they don’t think that the operation actually gives Israel anything of substantial, long-term value, and instead simply entrenches the never-ending cycle of tit-for-tat that hasn’t gotten anywhere for decades.

    As I mentioned previously, the question of whether Israel is behaving unwisely in this particular case is one that I am not qualified to answer (though Farley is, and he answers “no”). But the point is that restricting the field to merely “who is in the right”, rather than stepping up to the plate and saying “what actions should Israel, Palestine, and every other relevant party take to the current situation that best advances its security interests, the prospects of permanent peace, and justice for the Israeli and Palestinian actors”, is a discourse that doesn’t actually help anyone. So what I’d like to see — from America and from everyone else — is a commitment to cool it with the moral hyperbolics which don’t accomplish anything, and focus on what matters: the reasonable, concrete policy moves both sides can do to advance the cause of peace and justice.”

    That construct suffers from one problem — the lack of recognition of Israeli actions in the past. Israel has tried military action, occupation, withdrawal, a peace plan (Oslo), another peace plan (Wye River), yet another peace plan (Annapolis), blockade, ending the blockade, and a series of so-called “truces” that allowed the Palestinians to play a triangle offense and provoke Israel into action. What do all of these actions have in common? None of them worked.

    The question really isn’t right or wrong. Israel has a right to defend its citizens from attack, and Hamas had launched over 200 rocket and mortar attacks on civilian populations in the week before this operation. It’s not smart or stupid, either, since Israel has done everything to “advance the cause of peace and justice” except surrender and die, which remains Hamas’ explicitly stated aim. It’s about a lack of options in dealing with a group determined to conduct terrorist attacks and destroy Israel until its last breath. A targeted campaign against Hamas while avoiding a wider war is the one option the Israelis still had yet to try.

    The better question is whether it will work, which is David’s implied test in his smart-or-stupid construct. We don’t know. What we do know is that Israel has very few options left outside of suicide, and we can’t see whether this will work until it’s tried.

    CAN ANYBODY EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IN THE WAY shmira BEHAVES TOWARDS SHOMRIM AND THE WAY THE HAMAS BEHAVE TOWARDS ISRAEL?
    yes I know the people in shmira are Jews etc… does thst make their behaver any different? any better?

  13. Seriously 208.90.103.253 Says:

    John Doe,
    I assume his Horse was white. Based on your question to me it seems that what you are saying is that my previous points are rhetorical or obvious, just as it is clear that the Horse is white.

    So, are you saying that Shimra isn’t very worried what Whoisshmira says about them? If so thank you for agreeing with me.

    What’s wrong with using spell check? By the way it’s DUE to not DO to. I know that spell check doesn’t look for those type of errors but I figured you would want me to point it out to you anyway.

    Seriously (the dumbass chuchum)

  14. WhoIsShmira? Says:

    Notice:
    There are many individuals using the name “Seriously”, I know this from the different I.P. addresses.

    You will say:
    Well, this person “Seriously” is using different (Internet) connections every time.
    To that I reply: B.S. there are to many different I.P.s. sometimes even in the same debate we find two or three different “Seriously(s)” under different I.P.s.

    it is very mishichist like (meaning cowedly like) to use somebody’s name to try and rectify perhaps a stupid comment.
    From now on anybody using the name “Seriously” will have his I.P. address posted as well.

    What did I mean when I wrote “mishichist like”?
    Getting in to a few [democratic] debates with a few mishichistim back in the days, I noticed that sometimes when they were losing the arguments they were making (or trying to make) and were being proofed to be wrong, instead of going to find out the truth (by learning and investigating) they would just bring over a “friend” that supposedly knows more. Basically, they don’t know the answers, they are making a fool of themselves, they don’t even want to know the truth for themselves, all they want is to proof you wrong and win the argument.

    Any time one Seriously commenter puts his foot in his mouth anther come to “rescue” him.
    Now you all tell me, if thats not a few shmira mesira losers trying to cover for each other. I call that a cheat!

  15. losers (with nothing to loss) want "peace" Says:

    Gaza – Hamas/shmira Leader Calls for Unconditional End to Israeli Assault

    Gaza – The head of Hamas’ government in the Gaza Strip, Ismail Haniya, called for an unconditional end to the five-day old Israeli offensive in the Gaza Strip as the first step toward ending the violence. Haniya, who gave a speech while in hiding that was broadcast by the pro-Hamas al-Aqsa television, also demanded and end to the blockade of Gaza, the reopening of crossings, and talks on Palestinian reconciliation.

    Haniya and his Hamas lieutenants have gone underground over fears of being being targeted by Israeli warplanes.

    Follow the link for to read some nice comments (some of those fit very well with the shmira saying they want “peace”).
    I.E. “The truth is what he says is really irrelevant as Israel needs to protect its citizens and should not stop until it is over.

    “The fact that he is calling for an end to the war is because he finally starting to feel like he is loosing and is hoping the other side will give up.”

    It would be like in a chess game there are 4 moves to a check mate and the loosing side says lets go for a stale mate .That would be ridiculous. This is precisely the time that Israel needs top strengthen its resolve and win the war. The world will put more pressure to end because even Hamas is willing to stop but the opposite is true .They want something left of themselves so they can return to their rocket after Israel stops bombing.”

  16. john doe Says:

    Seriously 208.90.103.253 Says:

    December 31, 2008 at 9:31 am
    John Doe,
    I assume his Horse was white. Based on your question to me it seems that what you are saying is that my previous points are rhetorical or obvious, just as it is clear that the Horse is white.

    So, are you saying that Shimra isn’t very worried what Whoisshmira says about them? If so thank you for agreeing with me.
    What’s wrong with using spell check? By the way it’s DUE to not DO to. I know that spell check doesn’t look for those type of errors but I figured you would want me to point it out to you anyway.

    Seriously (the dumbass chuchum)

    Why does this retard assume that anyone here gives a shit if this site worries the shmira moissrem? from what i see this site wasn’t created to terrorize the shmira. this site was created to expose the truth vs. the constant lies of the shmira terrorist moissrem, that is reason i decided to get involved, (by talking to people, checking and matching information, and very simple research).
    it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out whos in the right in shmira constantly attacking, harassing and intimidating shomrim, mishichist vs. Jews etc. In every argument there are two sides everyone has the choice of which side they are on or which side they agree with, but i pity all those supposed “non-opinion” fools who like i wrote once before are not on or for either side, BUT……..”shomrim must have made up all those police reports” [forging a government instrument like documents, a police shield etc. is like what ten years in prison?] or “why would the police take a police report if”…..
    stupid asses thats why it’s called a report, someone is reporting, someone reported etc. it is the job of law enforcement to take the reports and then follow up if they consider it necessary.
    Yes, my friends it is a crime to make false reports and yes my friends from what I have heard (from first hand accounts) that many times the detectives call the shomrim members and advise them of whats going on (that the shmira is attempting to make a mesira) and they (the detectives) ask the shomrim members if they should arrest the shmira mossrim for trying to make false police reports.

    The REAL question is, how is it that a police officer- detective wannabe brian duffy stated in front of 6 witnesses that “really there is no case here and no reason to make an arrest but this is a “political arrest” (whatever that means) and with that he was able to make an arrest of 6 shomrim members and one non-shomrim member (all 7 are members of Anash). Also, he did mention something about presser from some police chief. Seeing the Discovery from that case it is so crystal clear that this case was build on Hot Air. Yet they (shomrim members) were arrested and STILL going to court (more then a year later). Explain that to us?

    So no, Mr. serious-ly actually any and all you serious-lies out there (who are liken to muslim terrorist, every time a terrorist is killed another springs up to take his place) i DON’T agree with you and never will, just know that i will continue to assist in exposing truth on this site until the evil in our midst disappears forever DUE, ALL YOU SERIOUS-LIES UNDERSTAND?

  17. Seriously 208.184.6.15 (yet another one trying to cover for the other ones) Says:

    John Dope;

    WhoIsShmira cares what Shmira thinks about him. He is the one who believes that his site may be making a dent in Shmira.

    To WIS: I Seriously, happen to be one person. You should post my statements and move on, but you get annoyed by them, you feel the need to comment and if your comments aren’t good enough you try other ways to “get” me. Why don’t you tell your readers how many times I tried to post but you wouldn’t let it on the site.
    Remember you need someone like me otherwise your site is boring there is no one to argue with if I’m not around.

    Now I’ll pretend to be one of your typical posters…..

    hamas says that they are not in it for piece but rather for peace. Yet they continue to try and have a peace of everything, why is that. If you ask me its all a peace of shit. The detective who doesn’t know anything but who I’ll quote sometimes carries a cool piece. he doesn’t care about Shomrim he actually hates them, but he still tells me everything I need to know. you know why cause he is just trying to do his job and make piece. It says in “Ayin bais” that someone who knows too much should not let anyone know how much he knows for fear of a huge Meschechist coming down and eating him.

    Now I ask you is this not another peace of Shmira trying to get a piece of all the action and putting young good husbands in jail only to promote Muslims terrorist rat tails?

    I Seriously don’t know why I even respond to you crack heads…..

  18. john doe Says:

    Seriously Says:

    January 4, 2009 at 9:28 pm
    John Dope;

    WhoIsShmira cares what Shmira thinks about him. He is the one who believes that his site may be making a dent in Shmira.

    To WIS: I Seriously, happen to be one person. You should post my statements and move on, but you get annoyed by them, you feel the need to comment and if your comments aren’t good enough you try other ways to “get” me. Why don’t you tell your readers how many times I tried to post but you wouldn’t let it on the site.
    Remember you need someone like me otherwise your site is boring there is no one to argue with if I’m not around.

    Now I’ll pretend to be one of your typical posters…..

    hamas says that they are not in it for piece but rather for peace. Yet they continue to try and have a peace of everything, why is that. If you ask me its all a peace of shit. The detective who doesn’t know anything but who I’ll quote sometimes carries a cool piece. he doesn’t care about Shomrim he actually hates them, but he still tells me everything I need to know. you know why cause he is just trying to do his job and make piece. It says in “Ayin bais” that someone who knows too much should not let anyone know how much he knows for fear of a huge Meschechist coming down and eating him.

    Now I ask you is this not another peace of Shmira trying to get a piece of all the action and putting young good husbands in jail only to promote Muslims terrorist rat tails?

    I Seriously don’t know why I even respond to you crack heads…..

    Ha ha ha now this little serious loser wants to be our frriend, now we neeed him, what would we do withoout him ha ha ha ha what a loser.
    As for the rest of what he wrote it’s all gibberish i don’t get it.

  19. Seriously 208.184.6.40 Says:

    I absolutely have no intention of being your friend. All I’m saying is that my postings allow you to continue to believe that you are actually fighting some kind of worthy cause. If it weren’t for my responses then you would be preaching to?….? When I post then you know your adversary is listening.

    Anyway, Seriously speaking to you really think that your wacky posts are doing anything for the inhabitants of Crown Heights?

    Once again I’d like to point out to you John Dope that the word is “without” not “withoout”. Is that how you write your reports? Full of spelling errors? While I’m at it it’s “friend” not “frriend” And the word “need’ is spelled need not “neeed. Gibberish must have been the language that your momma spoke in the home, cause you certinly have some issues with the English language.

    Seriously wishes you all peace, remember Obama is coming to destroy people like you guys. caught up in creating fights and despair not interested in making a better place for us all is your first name.

    Seriously getting tired of hearing you guys talk the same old hype. show us the money baby, do something that will make our homes a better place to live in. Sucking up to the cops just doesn’t do it for me. Getting rid of criminals is where we’re at. Shomrim step up to the plate, otherwise go do some crowd control in Harlem, and leave the pros to take care of the real boys work.

  20. antimesira Says:

    …”Seriously wishes you all peace, remember Obama is coming to destroy people like you guys”…

    If what your saying is that Obama is a Thug and will be working with other Thugs to try to destroy everything good (with a smile and nice speech) then you are correct, if you are saying that Obama will talk with terrorist (like the shmira thugs and Hamas) then you are again correct.
    Thats a 100% right, for once you got it on the dot.

    Just have a read….

    (from VIN)
    Washington – Obama Administration ‘Prepared to Talk to Hamas’

    Washington – The incoming Obama administration is prepared to abandon President Bush’s doctrine of isolating Hamas by establishing a channel to the Islamist organisation, sources close to the transition team say.

    The move to open contacts with Hamas – which could be initiated through the US intelligence services – would represent a definitive break with the Bush presidency’s ostracising of the group.

    The Guardian has spoken to three people with knowledge of the discussions in the Obama camp.

    There is no talk of Obama approving direct diplomatic negotiations with Hamas early on in his administration, but he is being urged by advisers to initiate low-level or clandestine approaches, and there is growing recognition in Washington that the policy of ostracising Hamas is counter-productive.

    A tested course would be to start contacts through Hamas and the US intelligence services – similar to the secret process through which the US engaged with the PLO in the 1970s. Israel did not become aware of the contacts until much later.

    Richard Haass, a diplomat under both presidents Bush who was named by a number of news organisations this week as Obama’s choice for Middle East envoy, supports low level contacts with Hamas provided there is a ceasefire in place and a Hamas-Fatah reconciliation emerges.

    Another potential contender for a foreign policy role in the Obama administration suggested the president-elect would not be bound by the Bush doctrine of isolating Hamas. “This is going to be an administration that is committed to negotiating with critical parties on critical issues,” they said.

    There are a number of options that would avoid a politically toxic scenario for Obama of seeming to give legitimacy to Hamas.

    “Secret envoys, multilateral six-party talk-like approaches. The total isolation of Hamas that we promulgated under Bush is going to end,” said Steve Clemons, the director of the American Strategy Programme at the New America Foundation.

    “You could do something through the Europeans. You could invent a structure that is multilateral. It is going to be hard for the Neocons to swallow,” he said. “I think it is going to happen.

    However, one Middle East expert close to the transition team warned: “It is highly unlikely that they will be public about it.”

    The two weeks since Israel launched its military campaign against Gaza have heightened anticipation about how Obama intends to deal with the Middle East. He adopted a strongly pro-Israel position during the election campaign, as did his erstwhile opponent and choice for secretary of state, Hillary Clinton. However, it is widely thought Obama will adopt a more even-handed approach once he is president.

    Obama’s main priority now, in the remaining days before his inauguration, is to ensure the crisis does not rob him of the chance to set his own foreign policy agenda, rather than merely react to events.

    “We will be perceived to be weak and feckless if we are perceived to be on the margins, unable to persuade the Israelis, unable to work with the international community to end this,” said Aaron David Miller, a former state department adviser on the Middle East.

    “Unless he is prepared to adopt a policy that is tougher, fairer and smarter than both of his predecessors you might as well hang a closed-for-the-season sign on any chance of America playing an effective role in defusing the current crisis or the broader crisis,” he said.

    Obama has defined himself in part by his willingness to talk to America’s enemies. But the president-elect would be wary of being seen to give legitimacy to Hamas as a consequence of the war in Gaza.

    Bruce Hoffman, a counterterrorism expert at the Georgetown school of foreign service, said it was unlikely Obama would move to initiate contacts with Hamas unless the radical faction in Damascus was crippled by the conflict in Gaza. “This would really be dependent on Hamas’s military wing having suffered a real, almost decisive, drubbing.”

    Even with such caveats, there is growing agreement, among Republicans as well as Democrats, on the need to engage Hamas to achieve a sustainable peace in the Middle East – even among Obama’s close advisers.

    In an article published on Wednesday on the website of Foreign Affairs, but apparently written before the fighting in Gaza, Haass, who is president of the Council on Foreign Relations writes: “If the ceasefire between Israel and Hamas continues to hold and a Hamas-PA reconciliation emerges, the Obama administration should deal with the joint Palestinian leadership and authorise low-level contact between US officials and Hamas in Gaza.”

    The article was written with Martin Indyk, a former US ambassador to Israel and an adviser to the incoming secretary of state, Hillary Clinton.

    “The change of perceptions is underway,” said Alistair Crooke, director of the Conflicts Forum who was a former security adviser to the EU’s Middle East envoy. “However, it hasn’t translated yet into something substantive.”

    Last month, General Anthony Zinni, who was Bush’s envoy to the Middle East, called on Obama to enage Hamas and move quickly to reach a peace deal.

    The willingness for conditional engagement with Hamas marks a sharp break with the world view of the Bush administration.

    Obama has said repeatedly that restoring America’s image in the world would rank among the top priorities of his administration, and there has been widespread praise for his choice of Hillary Clinton as secretary of state and Jim Jones, the former Marine Corps commandant, as his national security adviser.

    He is expected to demonstrate that commitment to charting a new foreign policy within days when the president-elect is expected to name a roster of envoys who will take charge of key foreign policy areas: Iran, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, India-Pakistan, and North Korea.

    Both Obama and Clinton adopted solidly pro-Israel positions during the election campaign. Last May, Obama sacked an adviser, Rob Malley, after it emerged he had met Hamas officials while working for the International Crisis Group.

    In June, Obama told the Israeli lobbying group Aipac he supported Jerusalem as the undivided capital of Israel. That runs contrary to longstanding policy that the future of Jerusalem be decided through negotiation between Israel and the Palestinians.

    In a visit to Israel one month later, Obama said he identified with efforts to protect Israeli cities from Hamas rockets.

    Obama has further frustrated and confused those who had been looking to the incoming administration for a more even-handed approach to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict by his refusal to make any substantive comment on Israel’s military campaign on Gaza, nearly two weeks on.

    He told a press conference on Wednesday: “We cannot be sending a message to the world that there are two different administrations conducting foreign policy. Until I take office, it would be imprudent of me to start sending out signals that somehow we are running foreign policy when I am not legally authorised to do so.”

    He added: “This silence is not as a consequence of a lack of concern.”

  21. ex-chsp Says:

    “Anyway, Seriously speaking to you really think that your wacky posts are doing anything for the inhabitants of Crown Heights?”

    As somebody who recently left shmira
    for many of the reason that were brought out on this site
    I can attest that this site did or is having a big negative affect on shmira.
    1. Less calls
    2. no money
    3. (desperate) mesira
    4. some guy(s) named Seriously fighting a lost battle on WIS.

    I also know that Stern, prager and skoblo don’t stop talking
    about this site.

    all the above is good for Crown Heights.

    Thank you WIS for informing us about who is shmira

  22. antimesira Says:

    “If it weren’t for my responses then you would be preaching to?….? When I post then you know your adversary is listening.”

    You stupid, dumb etc… just a plain idiot!

    Reading over comments in some of the other post
    we find that you and your (liberal) friends were many times encouraged
    to write comments (go have a check).
    All your trying to do is sound so smart and all knowing thinking you came up with a Chiddosh (something new) and perhaps “got someone”.

    Of course when you respond (or any body at that matter) in builds up more comments. Any professional web site knows this, if you want comments you have to approve some that will fire up some controversy.

    Ever try to have a conversation with a person that agrees with everything you say, how much fun is that?
    maybe for a person with a ego like your that just fine, all you really need is to hear yourself talk.

    So please, (yes) we do want to hear from you, write more comments, the more you write the more we see the truth (of who and what you really are etc…)

    Bring it on!

    By the way, how many times a day do you check out this site?
    I have a feeling plenty.

  23. friend Says:

    “how us the money baby, do something that will make our homes a better place to live in.”

    Forget about (for now) making other peoples homes a better place, what are you doing to make your own home, your own 4 cubits a better place?

    “before trying to throw a hug around the would, first go home and hug your kids”
    If you have any and if you even know of them.

    What the hell are you doing to make our lives any better?
    writing comments on WIS?????????
    Protecting CH from the likes of WIS?????
    Is it such a Treat to shmira?

    who Seriously are you?

  24. Seriously 208.184.6.120 Says:

    Dear Friend,
    I am doing something for my community, unfortunately telling you what it is would be giving my identity away, for obvious reasons I can’t do that.

    WIS is not a treat to Shmira nor CH and it is certainly not a THREAT to anyone. That is exactly my point. I recently had a conversation with one of the coordinators of Shmira and he assured me that WIS as far as he is concerned has not caused any harm to Shmira.

    To WIS I’m glad that we agree that my comments actually bring more hits to your site. You see I don’t mind people reading your posts, I don’t mind attracting more attention to your site. Most people I know read your headlines and figure you can’t be taken Seriously as you are obviously so one sided and corrupt that all you spew is hatred. People like you can’t be trusted to speak the truth.

    I mention Obama cause I know it annoys you.

    Seriously though Obama isn’t going to assume anything, he is going to seek the real truth, something that you are not interested in, the “other half of the story” that is why people like you were so scared about him getting into power, maybe you’ll actually have to answer to your actions.

    I do agree with you that his ideology regarding Israel is worrisome but we voted for someone to run our country and not Israels. Right now I’d much rather have an Obama then a Pallin dealing with the Israel crisis!!! I pray everyday that the soldiers are safe.

    I check your site a hundred times a day that’s why you have so many hits, it’s all me. Seriously, what is the difference how many times I check WIS? It proves nothing more then the fact that I want to make sure you print the truth the REAL TRUTH.

    Why don’t you print some negative stuff about Shomrim?

    If the Shmira guys are “talking about WIS all the time” why is it then that none of them have started a Who Is Shomrim site?

    How much more of this back and forth stuff are we going to do?

    By the way I rarely call you names so I’d appreciate the same courtesy, is that to much to ask you stupid dumb ass etc. idiot?

    Seriously bids you all a farewell.
    Ciao

  25. Yossi chazzer belly stern? is that you? Says:

    I’m going to take a change knowing Stern and how he speaks that
    Seriously 208.184.6.120 is indeed Yossi stern.

    Now continue telling us on how shmira don’t care about this site when a coordinator with his sly mouth has to get on this site and defend himself?

    Now thats desperate!

    by the way:
    “If the Shmira guys are “talking about WIS all the time” why is it then that none of them have started a Who Is Shomrim site?”

    A few days after this site when up there was an attempt to make a Who is shomrim site and it was up for about two weeks.
    Why was it taken down?
    My guess
    1. nothing to write
    2. anything they would write would be used against them
    3. so they can play the poor little “victims”

    I don’t know who really runs WIS (although I understand why some might think its Shomrim, b/c (using their logic) its against shmira so it “must” be shomrim, b/c who else would know all the crimanol acts that shmira embers did? who?. although I must say I never heard any shomrim members really talking about this site) but to try to make shmira look like good guys because they don’t have a site like WIS against this that they are contentiously involved in acts of Mesira (spilling Jewish blood etc…etc…), is going to a new low and frankly stupid. It’s like killing stabbing a guy to death and saying your not as bad as the guy who stole his wallet.
    In this case shmira is the one doing the crime and WIS is just reporting it.

  26. Stam Says:

    Why are you almost sure its Stern, i traced it and it did not come up with a Brooklyn address. Unless it was spoofed.

  27. Seriously Says:

    I am not Yossi Stern I am being as clear as I can. I am not Yossi Stern!

    I don’t even like Yossi Stern! Stop trying to figure it all out it’s difficult.

    How can you write a whole post based on speculation (guessing) that I am Yossi Stern?

    You don’t know me. You don’t even know if I’m Male!

    Seriously my friend your whole life would be turned around if you found out who I am, and who my father is!!!!

    Stop the make belief and get ready for the real world otherwise just move on cause you ain’t one in the know.

    Seriously

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