You can help!

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This past Shabbos (P. Vaetchanan) there was a fight in 770 between shmira members (the Hecht brothers) and the mishichistim. I was sure to read about it on the mishichist web sites, as they always report when their fellows are “victimized”, for some reason (I wonder what that is) there was no word (how convenient).

Anybody who was is 770 and saw with his OWN two eyes what happened please shere with all of us the details so we can inform everybody of what really going on.

whoisshmira@gmail.com

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24 Responses to “You can help!”

  1. R. Nahman b. Isaac Says:

    “What is hidden is hidden, and what is revealed is revealed; the Great Tribunal will exact punishment from those who rub themselves against the walls.”

    In simulated humility. Others render: who wrap themselves in their cloaks. The meaning is that hypocrisy is of no avail against the Judge Who reads the heart.

    (Sotah 22b)

  2. libs+mishichistim+shmira=HYPOCRITES Says:

    AM I the only one who’s noticed the silence? Mere months ago, left-wing bloggers and demonstrators were wailing Support our troops, bring them home! seven days a week.

    Now their presidential candidate has announced that he won’t bring all those troops home, but will simply transfer combat forces from Iraq to Afghanistan – expanding that war. (He’s discussed possibly invading Pakistan, too.)

    And the left’s quiet as a graveyard at midnight.
    Where are the outraged protests from MoveOn [chabad.info] or the DailyKos? I thought the extreme left felt sorry for our service members in harm’s way and wanted to reunite them with their families.
    What happened?

    We all know exactly what happened. The left has nothing against foreign wars (as long as they don’t have to fight in person). They just want to pick our wars themselves.

    The problem with Iraq wasn’t that America toppled Saddam Hussein, but that George W. Bush did it. I’ve been saying it for years: Had Bill Clinton done the job, the left would’ve celebrated him as the greatest liberator since Abraham Lincoln.

    While we’re on the subject of Bush-Cheney, am I the only one who’s noticed that Sen. Barack Obama’s stolen the key pages from their playbook? He refuses to admit any serious mistakes, skips over uncomfortable facts and won’t let the media get danger-close.

    And it’s interesting that, while Obama remains committed to abandoning Iraq for partisan political reasons, he otherwise sounds more aggressive about using force than anyone since Bush’s “Bring it on” days.
    Those who know nothing of war – and who decline to serve – kind of like a nice little invasion of their own. Forget those pesky human and financial costs – as long as the left can have its own war, war’s great!

    “Support our troops, bring them home” just may go down as the second-most-cynical slogan in history, right behind Arbeit macht frei.
    Now that the (truly base) Democratic base has decided our troops really aren’t all that stressed, don’t need a break and should move out sharply to fight Obama’s wars (before the guy’s even elected), I’m starting to feel like a peacenik.

    Yes, we could use more combat forces in Afghanistan. And we do have to come to terms with what a senior officer in-country calls “our Pakistan ulcer.” But I’m not quite ready to invade Pakistan without weighing the consequences and costs. (Can’t we just send Ariana Huffington?)
    Those who want war should do their part at some point in their lives – and that doesn’t mean sitting in your basement blogging in your underwear at 3 a.m.

    So here are three straightforward questions for all the march-in-step lefties who howled, “Support our troops, bring them home!” before their new messiah decided that war’s not so bad, after all:

    * Given that your candidate acknowledges the need for more combat troops in Afghanistan, will you enlist and do your part? Or do you expect
    other young Americans to continue to bleed in your place?

    * If your man is elected president and orders ground troops into Pakistan – which could lead to a much wider conflict – will you enlist and do your part? We’ll need a lot more troops to occupy those badlands.

    * If the next president yanks our troops out of Iraq, all the progress disintegrates, Iran moves in and we have to re-invade to clean up the mess, will you enlist and do your part?
    I know, I know: Educated people like you are too smart and too important to serve in uniform. The military’s for dummies, for losers. Serious players stay home and blog and bitch over double espressos.
    Inhabitants of the left-wing blogosphere, have you no shame? Was your pacifism nothing more than a hipster pose? Bush is on the way out – are your principles leaving with him? Have you stopped to wonder if BHO might not be your LBJ?

    You told us that “War doesn’t change anything,” and “War is never the answer.” Shouldn’t you be lobbying your candidate to give peace a chance?

    Shame, shame, shame. You’ve elevated hypocrisy to an art form.
    How about a new slogan: “Support our troops: Enlist!”

  3. libs+mishichistim+shmira= HYPOCRITES Says:

    what does the above comment have to do with this story?

    when the mishichistim beat people almost daily you don’t hear a word, it’s silence “And the left’s quiet as a graveyard at midnight.”
    When shmira beats people up including mishichistim you don’t hear a word, it’s silence “And the left’s quiet as a graveyard at midnight.”

    But if anybody not in their party line does just any thing (it does not matter what really happened) the propaganda machine gets rolling. We hear about it alright, they come out kicking and screaming.

    in other word:
    WHAT DOES THE ABOVE COMMENT HAVE IN COMMON WITH OUR CASE?
    “Shame, shame, shame. You’ve elevated hypocrisy to an art form.”
    SHMIRA/MISHICHISTIM/”SUPPORTERS OF SHMIRA AND MISHICHISTIM”
    ARE A BOUNCE OF SELF RIGHTEOUS HYPOCRITES.

  4. Mad Resident Says:

    HOW COME WE NEVER HEARD WHAT HAPPENED WITH YITZI VAIL?
    CAN W.I.S. FIND OUT?

  5. “liberal” ideology Says:

    All of which points back to the animating tenet in “liberal” ideology — namely, that, simply by virtue of adopting the left-liberal agenda, one is good, and so his “mistakes” are but minor slip-ups, hiccups in a life of sublime goodliness. Whereas any kind of minor slip-up by those on the “right” (classical liberals included, these days) are to be seen as brief inadvertent flashes revealing their grubby souls — even when those flashes are either admittedly unintended, or else have to be run through a special code book to prove visible to the watchdogs of all that is good and righteous.

  6. Seriously 67.68.218.61 Says:

    To Liberal.
    Are you saying that the “right” isn’t being treated equally as the “left”?

    Generally being “open minded” allows one to try and see all points of view, whereas a “right” minded person already admits (by allowing himself to be called “right”) that he believes that his views are better then anyone else. That he doesn’t have to see the two sides. That is why more is expected of the right then the left. The right automatically assumes that they are correct. When they are wrong people want them to know it.

  7. “liberal” ideology Says:

    WHAT?????

  8. Seriously 67.68.218.61 Says:

    The right are judged more harshly as they always act as if there theories are the only correct ones. Is that clearer?

  9. “liberal” ideology Says:

    Wow, you just made being right a wrong thing!
    typical lib.
    [side note: we both almost agree (I say almost b/c you do start to spin it a bit), I am trying to show how the liberals/left have a crocked way of thinking and doing things and all your doing is excusing that behavior (by trying to make it look normal).

    So, if a person has morals, which according to you he thinks hes perfect and therefore can not make mistakes and so when he does make a mistake you have the right to knock him (and try to destroy him).

    But if you consider your self a person without morals, then you never said you are perfect, if you are not perfect then theres nothing wrong when you act immorally (which in essence you can’t make a mistake) wow, how convenient. all you have to say when you screw up “well I’m not perfect, I never said I was”.

    In this (shmira-mishichistim-shomrim) case (coming out of your own words), when shmira or the mishichistim do stupid things (whether hurt another Jew or go against every thing we as Jews stand for (Shulchon Aruch) its O.K. because they don’t hold them selfs to any standards (they don’t think they are in the right and they never claim to be), and if they don’t hold them selfs to any standards/morals then they can’t cross any lines; they can’t be amoral when they don’t have any morals.
    But shomrim who you hold so dear and say that they do have morals (you hold them up to higher standards) they can do wrong?
    Please, correct me if I’m wrong (i am open minded).
    ___________________________________________
    [about your spin]
    I an not discussing “theories”. What I am talking about is RIGHT and WRONG, you are trying to spin this your way.
    How does a person know if hes right or wrong.
    Learning/Study. In Jewish terms Shulchon Aruch, Chassidus and must importantly having a Rabbi/Rov.

    Do you even know what the meaning of theory is?
    ——————————————————-
    Besides if someone does come up with a “theory” (after much study etc.. ) and feels it worthy to repeat to others he better think that he’s right (other wise it’s better he shuts up/keeps his mouth shut and studies some more, until he comes up with a theory worth repeating). of course he most also be open minded to learn new things (that would be the reason he is discussion his “theory” with others (so he may learn from them).
    —————————————————————–
    We are discussing political parties when we say “Right” and “left”/liberals, it’s only normal that BOTH sides think they are right, the question is who is really [morally] RIGHT. Who is more open minded?
    Who’s “theory” is biased on Logic and Facts and who’s “theory” is biased on emotion?
    ———————————————————–…

  10. R U Seriously???? Says:

    spin
    spin
    spin
    trying to take us for another ride?

  11. Truth and Justice Says:

    I think what Seriously is trying to say is that shmira and the mishichistim can get away with what ever they want because they don’t think they are always right (although they are doing what they are doing because they think they are right).

    Are you feeling this or is only me?

  12. Seriously 206.248.131.223 Says:

    Hey Mr. Liberal.

    You think only the right has morals?!? (Second paragraph of your post).
    The left doesn’t have morals, hence they are not perfect?!?

    Mishachistim have no morals? Their beliefs may be absolutely pathetic but they certainly have morals.

    The right somehow believe that they have the “true morals” and that ultimately we will all eventually see that they are correct. So when they (right) fall, they fall much harder then anyone else.

    Also, we are talking about theories. As the term Right & Left can only refer to a theory. Shulchan Uruch is halacha there is no right and left when it comes to halacha. Nobody holds that it is o.k. not to fast on Yom Kippur, there is only one way as is stated in Shulchan Uruch.

    You are correct that after thinking it through and finally telling someone about your theory obviously means you believe in it. However those on the right have a tendency to have beliefs that are difficult to agree with, and often when proven wrong will stand by their theory.

    For example the war in Iraq. The right say that it is essential that we continue to fight, irrelevant of how many American soldiers die.

    The left says we believed that the war on Iraq was going to protect us, that it was going to help us. Now after seeing so many of our soldiers die and no major change in Iraq we are ready to admit that it was a mistake, and it is time to pull out.

    The right won’t agree, let them die it is for a good cause. So, you see the right takes the quote on quote “moral high ground” but will never admit that they are wrong. Finally when they can no longer hold on and the casualties are so enormous they say “well at least we tried” IE. Vietnam.
    Then yeah we are going to remind them and wipe their face in it.

    I don’t think anyone can “get away with it” I just think that certain groups IE shomrim have a very hard time admitting that they are wrong.

  13. “liberal” ideology Says:

    your spinning so much your even bashing yourself.
    all I was doing was explaining what you were in essence saying.
    your dizzy take a break.
    go back and read every thing again.

    you are to excited and you respond to quickly, word of advice, wait; think; read again and then if you still have what to respond by all means. us your CHABAD= Chochma+Bina+Dase. Think, take it easy, us intellect, calm your emotions.

    A good site for you to visit:
    Hotair.com

    {About the Iraq thing,
    you seem to be a year behind in your politics.}

    Like all the other back and forth that you had on this site you just go round and round and end up kickiong your self in the ass.
    I could type and explain till i’m blue, it won’t help.
    You a LIB, you relate to scum making you not much better.
    Frankly your not worth the investment.

    People like you are not to be brought in to the fold, you are to be defeated!

    I will continue to write (when I feel like it) but not directly in responds to you.
    [Ye, ye, ye, your next post will be about how I have nothing to respond etc.. Ye, ye, you win your the winner… we will let the readers be the judge of that.]

  14. On the Money Says:

    “liberal” ideology your right on.

    a few month ago when this site started a few in shul were having a discussion about the site shmira and shomrim.
    one of the guys said that he knows yossi stern and that he is not shomer shabbos and eats chazzer (like reported on the web site) etc…

    So some one in his defense said what you said about morols.
    He said “whats the big deal [that he eats chazzer etc…] everybody knows that, even if you ask him he will tell you that”. He was saying that stern has no morals and therefor it’s no big deal that he does these thinks so it’s o.k. that he runs shmira and does messira (how do i make one of those dumb (yellow) faces to end off this paragraph)

    I don’t understand that line of defense, if some one does an avara and admits it or makes little of it, does that make it any less of a crime?
    If I kill some one a publicize it does that make me less of a monster or more?

  15. SO BLA BLA BLA, WHAT HAPPEND IN 770 WITH SHMIRA AND THE MISHICHISTIM????????? ANYBODY OUT THERE STILL DAVVEN IN 770??? OR IS IT ONLY THE THUGS THAT DAVVEN THERE???? Says:

    SO BLA BLA BLA, WHAT HAPPEND IN 770 WITH SHMIRA AND THE MISHICHISTIM????????? ANYBODY OUT THERE STILL DAVVEN IN 770??? OR IS IT ONLY THE THUGS AND TERRORIST THAT ARE LEFT????

    NOT ONE PERSON ON MY PHONE LIST DAVVENS THERE, NOT ONE PERSON FROM THERE LIST DAVVENS THERE, WHATS UP WITH THAT?

    WHO MASSERIED ON WHO THIS TIME?
    DID THEY USE THE SHMIRA CAR TO TAKE THE MISHICHISTIM TO THE POLICE TO MAKE REPORTS ON THE SHMIRA GUYS DRIVING THE CAR?
    OR IS IT WHEN THEY FIGHT ITS LIKE TWO BROTHERS KILLING EACH OTHER WITH LOTS OF LOVE SO IT’S O.K.

  16. Seriously 76.10.171.61 Says:

    You were not explaining “in essence” what I was saying, you were clearly mocking me as you did again in your last post. That’s fine I can handle it. As I said before a typical Rightest feels they have the higher moral standards, I guess that is why you referred to me as “relating to scum”.

    I get it your better.

    As per “we will let the readers be the judge of that” I think you can agree with me that based on what 85% of the readers of this site post, we are on the wrong site. Many people here post ugly vulgar words, a far cry from Chochma+Bina+Das.

    p.s. I’ll admit that you are right I do think that you had no response.

  17. Explain Says:

    “As I said before a typical Rightest feels they have the higher moral standards,”

    In a political point of view:
    Are you saying that all those nut roots (leftest) that are demonstrating at the DNC (democrat national convention) don’t think they are 100% about what ever it is they claim?
    Why are they there, to give opinion or theories that they don’t believe 100% them selves and they are trying to convince us.

    One thing I see from Mr.Seriously is that he never opened a Bais Moshiach in his life.

    Your talking out of your behind, you started off a little off and went off from there, your ego is to big for you to consent so you go on and on.
    You obviously don’t listen to talk radio (which is mostly right-conservative) ) you Do watch a lot of TV news and politics (which is all LEFT), they seem to think they are 100% right.

  18. Obama is the man...Seriously Says:

    Seriously is voting for Obama

    Why?
    Because Obama doesn’t think hes perfect,
    He doesn’t believe every thing he says. Thats the type of person we should have as president.
    THATS THE TYPE OF PEOPLE WE NEED RUNNING OUR COMMUNITY, PEOPLE THAT BULLSHIT AND ARE HONEST ABOUT IT.
    THATS WHY I VOTE YOSSI STERN HE EATS CHAZZER AND HE’S HONEST ABOUT IT. THATS WHY I VOTE THE MISHICHISTIM BECAUSE THEY BEAT PEOPLE UP AND DO MISSIRA (WITH SHMIRA) WITH NO SHAME, THEY REALLY BELIEVE IN WHAT THEY ARE DOING, IF ONLY WE DID MITZVOS LIKE THEY BEAT SOME ONE UP. YOU WANT TRUE BELIEVE LOOK NO FURTHER. THE WAY THEY WAVE THAT FLAG, IT GIVES ME A FELLING OF….

    HOPE (for)
    CHANGE (that will bring)
    UNITY (between all scum, mosserim and killers etc… )

    Ye right!

  19. mishicist in 770 Says:

    http://www.vosizneias.com/19767/2008/08/27/crown-heights-ny-lubavitchers-ecstatic-jews-a-messiah-proclaimed-and-the-consequential-divisions/

    This is why (normal) people don’t davven in 770!
    This is the people that people like shmira are pretending to protect (just to screw shomrim) these are the people that people like “Seriously” are trying to excuse.

    And the people (shomrim) that have jobs and family’s A.K.A. Responsibilities (some thing to wake up for in the morning or g-d forbid to loss if they screw up) THEY ARE NOT NORMAL, WE MUST GET RIDE OF THOSE “RIGHT” MINDED PEOPLE.

    a good idea for w.i.s is to profile the bochorim that massered on shomrim agents the shomrim members.

    Shomrim ———————Tzavtim/mishichistim (what ever they are called these days)

    Shomrim- Our community, raised here, work here, will raise their own kids her, give their Tzdaka here and volunteer their own free time for their community.

    Tzavtim- not from here, come make a mess and leave, they are meant to learn here they don’t must of them work and only show up when theres action. they have no short or long term use from CH. They are not our past and not our future. nothing good out of them.
    They don’t care to get in to trouble because they have no long term investments in CH. They have no responsibility and have nothing to loss.
    they are being used by some who have agendas to destroy anything good in our community.

    SO WHOS SIDE ARE YOU ON?
    The community or
    destruction.

  20. Seriously 76.10.171.61 Says:

    Hey mishichist in 770…….
    I am not trying excuse these types of people, I think they are crazy! Yet they are still entitled to their opinion. You clearly think that they should have no rights. That is wrong. You need to find a solution that is fair to all, as hard as that may be for you that is the right thing to do.

    To Mr. Explain;
    The protesters at the DNC do believe that they are 100% correct (even though most of them seem pretty aloof) but they don’t believe in guns and killing, and I am sure would be willing to concede if proven wrong. Unlike a republican.

    You are right I haven’t opened a bais moshiach in a long time, your point being…..?

    Not everyone’s ideas are 100% influenced by some commentators statements on t.v. or radio. I form my own opinion based on my own experiences etc.

    One thing for sure every time someone has referred to me using derogatory words it has come from the “MORAL RIGHT”. Instead of debating you mock and “put down” your opponent. Why is that? It’s o.k. to be wrong at times.

    What great things does McCain have to offer? friendship with Israel? Unbelievable how people can become so one track minded.

    This conversation has moved very far from Shmira/Shomrim. I will no longer discuss my political views, I will always be wrong anyway.

    At least you guys/gals have a chance to vent, that must feel good.

    So let’s get back to the vulgarity, loshon hora, and anti anything that is not done our way. Who wants to go first?

  21. mishicist in 770 Says:

    Global warming people= anti-human
    Mishichistim= anti-moshiach
    Anti-mishichist= pro-moshiach (and anti the people who are anti-moshiach).

    Just because the mishichist SAYS he’s for moshiach does not make it so,
    It’s ACTION that counts and all I see from the mishichist ACTION is anti-moshiach (they are doing all they can to make sure he does not come).

    I like the article from VIN because things like that are merachak (keep away/force away) mishichistim from being mishichist.
    I love when the crazies say “we are not AS crazy as they are” “they really cross the line, we are STILL normal”.
    How many levels of mishichistim are there these days?
    It depends on how many mishichistim there are.

  22. I heard Says:

    I heard the shmira guys gave those mishichistim a good beat down.
    It’s good when they do it because shmira is the MH”Ms patrol (sicho שמר”ה)

    only shmira has the “RIGHTS” to control the mishichistim.
    If they want to beat them up today and use them to do messira tomorrow that is their “RIGHT”. They have this “RIGHT” because they are the offical patrol of CH which is under the CHJCC which is ran by Chanina.
    They also have the “RIGHT” to beat up whom ever they want because they have a 770 and a bird of peace in their logo, they also have 100 units.

    they also have the “RIGHT” to do what they want because they don’t always think their “RIGHT” so they can never be “WRONG” (mistakes happen).

    Now I wonder , if I become a shmira member, do i get special training to beat up misichistim? I don’t want to violate any of their “RIGHTS” while I beating them up.

    EVERY BODY ELSE (WHO IS NOT IN shmira OR IS A mishichist)
    ALSO HAS “RIGHTS”….

    THE “RIGHT” TO REMAIN SILENCE

  23. Right verse Wrong Says:

    WA WA WAAA somebody get Seriously a tissue he’s feeling were hurt, you can also get him an aspirin for his spinning head.
    STOP WHINING!

    Another example of liberal behavior, every time they loss a debate they start crying “victim” victim” “not fair you called me a name”.

    Get a life and grow up, how many time do you expect people to respond to your stupidity. Do you expect that every time you make a statement (which most of the time you go off course) the person your debating with most respond to it.

    [The Rebbe Z”ya was asked once how come he doesn’t reply to any of the claims made agents him or Lubavitch.
    The Rebbe answered: (not word for word) “If I pay attention/reply to every rumor, I’ll be busy all day with just that”.]

    A few month ago a good friend of mine throw at me some random statement about the shmira shomrim issue, we were in the street so I had no interest in answering him (right there and then).
    Later at home when I had some free time (Like I have now to write this comment) I decided to give him a call and have him explain what he meant, and were he gets his information from etc…
    [Facts about him] I grow up with him. I know him well. He always had a liberal way of thinking and I was prepared for his style of conversation (my wife and kids were away for a few days, I had some spare time).
    In short, we started off talking about the shmira shomrim issue, which in reality as I explained to him there is no shomrim shmira issue and that the real issue is just shmira and that shmira is just trying to distract the community by involving shomrim in their own mess (as you have read from this site).
    I won’t get in to every detail (the back and forth) of our conversation; we did speak for an hour and half.
    My point is every time I put him on the spot he some how changed the subject trying to distract me from the issue at hand, he started to speak about other politics (trying to connect it to what we were talking about when in essence it had nothing to do. For example the situation with the raboskin meat etc…), to tell the truth I fell for that trap a few times, but when I caught on I let him know that he was stam hacking and like his friends the shmira he was just trying to distract me…
    Anyways circle after circle and going nowhere (what a waist of time, even to waist my wasting time it was a waist). I told him nice speaking to you and good night.
    I caught him saying false statements and proofed it to him, did he say “you know, I might be wrong”. NO he did not.
    Did he say “you know after speaking to you for an hour and a half you gave me some thing to think about”? NO
    Does he still think he knows what’s really going on? YES

    Conclusion:
    PEOPLE! IT IS A WAIST OF TIME TALKING/WRITING AND TRYING TO EXPLAIN TO THESE MISHICHIST/LIBRALS THE DIFFRANCE BETWEEN RIGHT AND WRONG. THEY JUST DON’T GET IT; THEY DON’T WANT TO GET IT. THEY STICK UP FOR THESE TYPE OF PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY DON’T WANT ANY BODY TO LOOK DOWN AT THEM (FOR THEY ACT IN THE SAME WAY) SO BY DEFENDING AND TRYING TO JUSTIFY EVIL ACTS THEY ARE TRYING TO DEFEND THEMSELVES FROM ANY SCRUTINY.

  24. Conservative Says:

    anything to make the liberals wail and gnash their teeth is good for me.

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